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1. Corporations are not unitary organizations; shareholders have rights and Delaware does a good job of protecting them within reason. 2. Statements by THE PEO

by greedo 2y ago

1. Corporations are not unitary organizations; shareholders have rights and Delaware does a good job of protecting them within reason. 2. Statements by THE PEOPLE ON THE TEAM WHO WERE JUST FIRED have a lot more weight than an internet commentator saying "let's wait for the details to arrive." 3. Sure. Musk says a lot of shit that is completely divorced from reality... 4. Competing carmakers have adopted the connector, but will they be able to really leverage the ease of use that Tesla owners have? Plug in and go? 5. I'm talking about companies like VW Group, GM, Ford, Mercedes, Porsche, BYD. Not little startups. 6. The carbon wrapped motor was first discussed in 2016, and is on the Model S, possibly the lowest selling Tesla. If Tesla is going to take 8 years for every "innovation", they're going to be DOA. 7. A great social network, filled with bots, and Nazis. Elon didn't buy Twitter for any free-speech ideals, he was forced to buy Twitter because he couldn't control his impulses and made a stupid purchase offer that he couldn't weasel his way out of. Everything else is spin. And "inclusive" is hardly what most neutral observers would use to describe Twitter. 8. Is Musk still involved with OpenAI? No. Did he do more than spend a few bucks, no. Martin Eberhard has more claim to founding Tesla than Musk does with OpenAI. And you do know that Musk was FIRED because of his stupid idea to rename PayPal and make it into a WeChat clone. Looks like you're still delusional. That'll happen when you get financially and emotionally invested in a guy like Musk.

cbeach 2y ago
1. A majority of shareholders voted for the original pay deal. They deserve to have their vote respected 2. I don't judge company strategy based on statements by disgruntled ex-employees. It would be naive to do so. 3. Things Musk says in shareholder meetings are SEC audited. So if he says the Model 2 is coming, it will come. 4. The Tesla Supercharger network is great. But it's not a competitive advantage as it's open to other brands. 5. As I said, compare the number of BEVs sold and the margins, whether we're looking at startups or legacy auto. Come back to me when you've found one that comes close to Tesla in Q1 2024 sales and margins. 6. You're arguing in bad faith. As I said, the carbon-wrapped motor is just one example of innovation, and the Model 3 Highland is just one example of product improvement. Your point was that Tesla "failed" to improve their products. That point is easily disproven. 7. X.com is not filled with bots and Nazis in my experience. If it was, I wouldn't use it. What data do you base your argument on? 8. Eberhard hadn't sold a single production vehicle at Tesla. Elon Musk was co-founder, chairman, product architect and the main source of funding when Roadster (Tesla's first car) was designed and produced. He oversaw the design of the Roadster from the beginning. Musk won the Global Green 2006 product design award and the 2007 Index Design award for the design of the Roadster. Not Eberhard. Musk. Production of the Roadster started in 2008, a year after Eberhard had been replaced at Tesla. --- Let's not accuse each other of being "delusional" - let's learn from each other and contribute to a healthy conversation.

by greedo 2y ago

cbeach 2y ago

1. A majority of shareholders voted for the original pay deal. They deserve to have their vote respected 2. I don't judge company strategy based on statements by disgruntled ex-employees. It would be naive to do so. 3. Things Musk says in shareholder meetings are SEC audited. So if he says the Model 2 is coming, it will come. 4. The Tesla Supercharger network is great. But it's not a competitive advantage as it's open to other brands. 5. As I said, compare the number of BEVs sold and the margins, whether we're looking at startups or legacy auto. Come back to me when you've found one that comes close to Tesla in Q1 2024 sales and margins. 6. You're arguing in bad faith. As I said, the carbon-wrapped motor is just one example of innovation, and the Model 3 Highland is just one example of product improvement. Your point was that Tesla "failed" to improve their products. That point is easily disproven. 7. X.com is not filled with bots and Nazis in my experience. If it was, I wouldn't use it. What data do you base your argument on? 8. Eberhard hadn't sold a single production vehicle at Tesla. Elon Musk was co-founder, chairman, product architect and the main source of funding when Roadster (Tesla's first car) was designed and produced. He oversaw the design of the Roadster from the beginning. Musk won the Global Green 2006 product design award and the 2007 Index Design award for the design of the Roadster. Not Eberhard. Musk. Production of the Roadster started in 2008, a year after Eberhard had been replaced at Tesla. --- Let's not accuse each other of being "delusional" - let's learn from each other and contribute to a healthy conversation.