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How was he incorrect? I've been doing what he suggested ever since, it's worked perfectly(much better than tablets) and I've saved a bit of money not buying tho

How was he incorrect? I've been doing what he suggested ever since, it's worked perfectly(much better than tablets) and I've saved a bit of money not buying those ridiculously overpriced tablets.

magicalhippo 2y ago
Interestingly I tried it as well, and the result was much worse than tablets. Shortly after a test of washing machine tablets and powders came out[1], and none of the powders available there came out good in regards to naughty chemicals, while the tablets we had been using had none of those (Yes Platinum all-in-one). They also came out better in regards to washing quality, so we've since changed back. [1]: https://www.forbrukerradet.no/tester/vaskemiddel-til-oppvaskmaskin https://www.forbrukerradet.no/tester/vaskemiddel-til-oppvask...
- gattilorenz 2y ago
  According to the website you posted, the First Price powder has less "naughty chemicals" than the tablets you use (but with less cleaning power).
  - magicalhippo 2y ago
    Only color, which is the least naughy of the ones they checked for AFAIK. And as you note, having it clean is kinda the point of it all.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 2y ago
  It's a shame they don't describe their methodology in detail. Makes the results hard to interpret. Specifically whether they add powder to the outside of the chamber. That was the whole point of the video, really. For me, the results were unambiguous. With tablets I got a bunch of "water spots" that weren't solved by doing any of the typical advice like refilling dishwasher salt and rinse aid or cleaning the machine. The water here isn't particularly hard either. The machine also struggled with certain things like eggs. Pretty sure now that the spots were just from excess detergent, because it stopped happening once I tried the Technology Connections way. It also did a much better job with stains that the tablets struggled with.
  - magicalhippo 2y ago
    For us the results were also unambiguous. The powder was just plain worse, and even with the extra fluid for shine our glasses came out worse. We did follow his advice of adding some powder directly in the machine. Increasing washing temperature did help some but not enough. After a week my SO had had enough. Perhaps it's related to the machine and water quality. We have very good and soft water (no salt needed), with very little chemicals. Perhaps another machine and/or different water quality can explain your different experience.
    - mtlmtlmtlmtl 2y ago
      Yeah, I'm not questioning your results. Probably some variation related to the machine, water quality/temperature etc. Which is why I wish forbrukerrådet was more transparent about their methodology. Lot of possible confounders they just don't mention. Which machine(s) did they use? Did they use rinse aid? Salt? Which program? How hard is their water and how hot was it, or did they vary these parameters? How full was the machine? Etc. My machine is pretty old. Old enough that it has no electronics, just one of those mechanical dials that slowly turns back to "zero" during the cycle. There are no programs really, just the ability to set the dial to various subsets of the full cycle. It wouldn't surprise me if more modern machines are designed more with tablets in mind than powder. Seeing as it's now the most popular product.
      - magicalhippo 2y ago
        > It wouldn't surprise me if more modern machines are designed more with tablets in mind than powder. Yeah in comparison ours is a high-end Bosch model that's just a few years old. It has sensors which supposedly detect how dirty the water is and whatnot. Would be interesting to do a comparison. For us the main kicker was less of the troubling chemicals. We could have lived with the reduction in washing power had those metrics been inverted.

How was he incorrect? I've been doing what he suggested ever since, it's worked perfectly(much better than tablets) and I've saved a bit of money not buying those ridiculously overpriced tablets.

magicalhippo 2y ago

Interestingly I tried it as well, and the result was much worse than tablets. Shortly after a test of washing machine tablets and powders came out[1], and none of the powders available there came out good in regards to naughty chemicals, while the tablets we had been using had none of those (Yes Platinum all-in-one). They also came out better in regards to washing quality, so we've since changed back. [1]: https://www.forbrukerradet.no/tester/vaskemiddel-til-oppvaskmaskin https://www.forbrukerradet.no/tester/vaskemiddel-til-oppvask...

gattilorenz 2y ago
According to the website you posted, the First Price powder has less "naughty chemicals" than the tablets you use (but with less cleaning power).
- magicalhippo 2y ago
  Only color, which is the least naughy of the ones they checked for AFAIK. And as you note, having it clean is kinda the point of it all.
mtlmtlmtlmtl 2y ago
It's a shame they don't describe their methodology in detail. Makes the results hard to interpret. Specifically whether they add powder to the outside of the chamber. That was the whole point of the video, really. For me, the results were unambiguous. With tablets I got a bunch of "water spots" that weren't solved by doing any of the typical advice like refilling dishwasher salt and rinse aid or cleaning the machine. The water here isn't particularly hard either. The machine also struggled with certain things like eggs. Pretty sure now that the spots were just from excess detergent, because it stopped happening once I tried the Technology Connections way. It also did a much better job with stains that the tablets struggled with.
- magicalhippo 2y ago
  For us the results were also unambiguous. The powder was just plain worse, and even with the extra fluid for shine our glasses came out worse. We did follow his advice of adding some powder directly in the machine. Increasing washing temperature did help some but not enough. After a week my SO had had enough. Perhaps it's related to the machine and water quality. We have very good and soft water (no salt needed), with very little chemicals. Perhaps another machine and/or different water quality can explain your different experience.
  - mtlmtlmtlmtl 2y ago
    Yeah, I'm not questioning your results. Probably some variation related to the machine, water quality/temperature etc. Which is why I wish forbrukerrådet was more transparent about their methodology. Lot of possible confounders they just don't mention. Which machine(s) did they use? Did they use rinse aid? Salt? Which program? How hard is their water and how hot was it, or did they vary these parameters? How full was the machine? Etc. My machine is pretty old. Old enough that it has no electronics, just one of those mechanical dials that slowly turns back to "zero" during the cycle. There are no programs really, just the ability to set the dial to various subsets of the full cycle. It wouldn't surprise me if more modern machines are designed more with tablets in mind than powder. Seeing as it's now the most popular product.
    - magicalhippo 2y ago
      > It wouldn't surprise me if more modern machines are designed more with tablets in mind than powder. Yeah in comparison ours is a high-end Bosch model that's just a few years old. It has sensors which supposedly detect how dirty the water is and whatnot. Would be interesting to do a comparison. For us the main kicker was less of the troubling chemicals. We could have lived with the reduction in washing power had those metrics been inverted.