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>I suspect it's more to do with being the number one cause of preventible cancer by far. Yes, I'm sure. How altruistic. If only all the vitriol wasn't there, t

>I suspect it's more to do with being the number one cause of preventible cancer by far. Yes, I'm sure. How altruistic. If only all the vitriol wasn't there, that would be a lot more believable. Now we get to pay around ~$500K for memory care for each of the 400,000 people a year we saved from dying in their 60s.

Pet_Ant 2y ago
Shouldn't we be happy that we have a society where people got to live longer lives? That at least they got to meet their grandchildren? Sure, maybe it raised our taxes, but it created a real palpable good in our world.
silverquiet 2y ago
My aunt is in her 60's and currently dying of cancer most likely caused by a lifelong smoking habit. Her sons would rather she kept living.
- Clubber 2y ago
  I think the drop in smoking rates are good, I think the tactics used to get there were pretty bad. Think of all the side eyes and snide remarks she received throughout her life because of it. Smokers became the new national villain between communism and terrorism. Treated like complete pariahs, and still so. >Her sons would rather she kept living. Absolutely. Here's the historical smoking rates. The biggest drop came around 2010, 2011, right around when vapes really became a thing. All that public shaming was probably unnecessary. https://www.statista.com/statistics/261581/current-adult-smokers-in-the-united-states/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/261581/current-adult-smo...
  - silverquiet 2y ago
    Who dictated "the tactics"? Welcome to humanity and the way it is. I've been obese and I've been in shape - guess what; people treat you differently and make different assumptions about you. If you're drunk or high all the time, people judge you (guilty of that in my past too). My cousins lovingly encouraged my aunt and uncle to quit smoking throughout their lives, but that didn't seem to have much effect either.
    - Clubber 2y ago
      Ya smoking is addictive as hell to a lot of people, particularly if they got hooked young. They all know it's bad for them too. So what judgements do you cast on smokers?
      - silverquiet 2y ago
        My best friend in the world literally told me this morning that he's trying to quit again (we've been friends long enough that I remember when he started smoking). He said he wishes he could "bitchslap" his younger self. The odds probably aren't good, but I'm going to encourage and help him in any way I can. He's young enough that he can probably still recover from most of the ill effects.
        Clubber 2y ago
        I wish him luck. I'm sure he's tried it but substitutes like vapes or gum at least get the tobacco out. That would be a significant improvement over cigarettes. >I'm going to encourage and help him in any way I can Imagine how counterproductive it would be to call him a dirty, stinky smoker, take some of his money and not allow him in your house. That's kinda my point with this whole diatribe.
        silverquiet 2y ago
        I don't allow him to smoke in my house or car, but I'm not mean about it. He's doing the gum this time; I encourage vaping, but he believes that that is as bad for the lungs as smoking which I doubt highly.
        Clubber 2y ago
        Have him read this from the NHS. They recommend vaping as a substitute for smoking. I feel they are less compromised than US institutions. https://www.nhs.uk/better-health/quit-smoking/vaping-to-quit-smoking/ https://www.nhs.uk/better-health/quit-smoking/vaping-to-quit...
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Smokers became the new national villain between communism and terrorism. Treated like complete pariahs, and still so Now do obesity. Unlike smoking, we now have a cure.
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Pet_Ant 2y ago

Shouldn't we be happy that we have a society where people got to live longer lives? That at least they got to meet their grandchildren? Sure, maybe it raised our taxes, but it created a real palpable good in our world.

silverquiet 2y ago

My aunt is in her 60's and currently dying of cancer most likely caused by a lifelong smoking habit. Her sons would rather she kept living.

Clubber 2y ago
I think the drop in smoking rates are good, I think the tactics used to get there were pretty bad. Think of all the side eyes and snide remarks she received throughout her life because of it. Smokers became the new national villain between communism and terrorism. Treated like complete pariahs, and still so. >Her sons would rather she kept living. Absolutely. Here's the historical smoking rates. The biggest drop came around 2010, 2011, right around when vapes really became a thing. All that public shaming was probably unnecessary. https://www.statista.com/statistics/261581/current-adult-smokers-in-the-united-states/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/261581/current-adult-smo...
- silverquiet 2y ago
  Who dictated "the tactics"? Welcome to humanity and the way it is. I've been obese and I've been in shape - guess what; people treat you differently and make different assumptions about you. If you're drunk or high all the time, people judge you (guilty of that in my past too). My cousins lovingly encouraged my aunt and uncle to quit smoking throughout their lives, but that didn't seem to have much effect either.
  - Clubber 2y ago
    Ya smoking is addictive as hell to a lot of people, particularly if they got hooked young. They all know it's bad for them too. So what judgements do you cast on smokers?
    - silverquiet 2y ago
      My best friend in the world literally told me this morning that he's trying to quit again (we've been friends long enough that I remember when he started smoking). He said he wishes he could "bitchslap" his younger self. The odds probably aren't good, but I'm going to encourage and help him in any way I can. He's young enough that he can probably still recover from most of the ill effects.
      - Clubber 2y ago
        I wish him luck. I'm sure he's tried it but substitutes like vapes or gum at least get the tobacco out. That would be a significant improvement over cigarettes. >I'm going to encourage and help him in any way I can Imagine how counterproductive it would be to call him a dirty, stinky smoker, take some of his money and not allow him in your house. That's kinda my point with this whole diatribe.
        silverquiet 2y ago
        I don't allow him to smoke in my house or car, but I'm not mean about it. He's doing the gum this time; I encourage vaping, but he believes that that is as bad for the lungs as smoking which I doubt highly.
        Clubber 2y ago
        Have him read this from the NHS. They recommend vaping as a substitute for smoking. I feel they are less compromised than US institutions. https://www.nhs.uk/better-health/quit-smoking/vaping-to-quit-smoking/ https://www.nhs.uk/better-health/quit-smoking/vaping-to-quit...
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Smokers became the new national villain between communism and terrorism. Treated like complete pariahs, and still so Now do obesity. Unlike smoking, we now have a cure.

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