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I'd read somewhere that the buy-in from other automakers to be compatible with the Tesla charging network might be exactly the reason why Tesla cut the supercha

I'd read somewhere that the buy-in from other automakers to be compatible with the Tesla charging network might be exactly the reason why Tesla cut the supercharging team -- to get the other automakers to foot the bill as well.

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nothercastle 2y ago
What bill though? The Tesla charging system is a profit center… ok cool must kill the #1 feature of your brand. See what happens
- taylodl 2y ago
  Right? The people that have been justifying Tesla's stratospheric (read: way overpriced) market capitalization was that Tesla was going to be the next Exxon-Mobile with regards to providing "fuel" to EVs. Well, that ship has been sunk. As you say, that was the #1 feature of their brand. Oh well, they're providing plenty of opportunity for their competitors to swoop in and eat their lunch.
CodeWriter23 2y ago
Musk’s tweet re supercharger in the article said it all, too much focus on expansion and not enough focus on increasing availability and reliability of the existing infra.
- NewJazz 2y ago
  That is utter BS, though. The supercharger network has been complimented as the most reliable charging network in north american for years now. How are you going to maintain the network after firing all the talent? Why do expansion and maintenance have to be at odds?
  - CodeWriter23 2y ago
    National and Regional service companies that will inventory spares nearby and have available professionals to replace faulty units do exist. How much talent does making some phone calls and signing a contract require?
    - NewJazz 2y ago
      Clearly a lot considering the general state of the chargepoint, evgo, and ea networks. Also consider that Tesla's chargers have thus far failed to achieve 800V charging, which is a death knell for any future facing network.
      - CodeWriter23 2y ago
        > Also consider that Tesla's chargers have thus far failed to achieve 800V charging, which is a death knell for any future facing network. You're conflating ops with engineering issues.
        NewJazz 2y ago
        I'm not. I'm merely adding evidence that maintenance-only is not a coherent business decision for the supercharger network.
        CodeWriter23 2y ago
        If the Electrical Engineers were included in this layoff I would be surprised. But as you say, they failed to meet the 800v goal, so they probably deserve it too.
energybored11 2y ago
It is pretty clear that Musk fired entire org because the chief of the unit was not agreeing to layoffs. It is a move to send a signal. Very likely Musk will rehire many fired.
- NewJazz 2y ago
  If he can... These people are likely in high demand. Wouldn't be surprised if EA or the joint venture by several legacy automakers scoops them up. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a44649909/automakers-ev-charging-network-joint-venture/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a44649909/automakers-ev-ch...

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nothercastle 2y ago

What bill though? The Tesla charging system is a profit center… ok cool must kill the #1 feature of your brand. See what happens

taylodl 2y ago
Right? The people that have been justifying Tesla's stratospheric (read: way overpriced) market capitalization was that Tesla was going to be the next Exxon-Mobile with regards to providing "fuel" to EVs. Well, that ship has been sunk. As you say, that was the #1 feature of their brand. Oh well, they're providing plenty of opportunity for their competitors to swoop in and eat their lunch.

CodeWriter23 2y ago

Musk’s tweet re supercharger in the article said it all, too much focus on expansion and not enough focus on increasing availability and reliability of the existing infra.

NewJazz 2y ago
That is utter BS, though. The supercharger network has been complimented as the most reliable charging network in north american for years now. How are you going to maintain the network after firing all the talent? Why do expansion and maintenance have to be at odds?
- CodeWriter23 2y ago
  National and Regional service companies that will inventory spares nearby and have available professionals to replace faulty units do exist. How much talent does making some phone calls and signing a contract require?
  - NewJazz 2y ago
    Clearly a lot considering the general state of the chargepoint, evgo, and ea networks. Also consider that Tesla's chargers have thus far failed to achieve 800V charging, which is a death knell for any future facing network.
    - CodeWriter23 2y ago
      > Also consider that Tesla's chargers have thus far failed to achieve 800V charging, which is a death knell for any future facing network. You're conflating ops with engineering issues.
      - NewJazz 2y ago
        I'm not. I'm merely adding evidence that maintenance-only is not a coherent business decision for the supercharger network.
        CodeWriter23 2y ago
        If the Electrical Engineers were included in this layoff I would be surprised. But as you say, they failed to meet the 800v goal, so they probably deserve it too.

energybored11 2y ago

It is pretty clear that Musk fired entire org because the chief of the unit was not agreeing to layoffs. It is a move to send a signal. Very likely Musk will rehire many fired.

NewJazz 2y ago
If he can... These people are likely in high demand. Wouldn't be surprised if EA or the joint venture by several legacy automakers scoops them up. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a44649909/automakers-ev-charging-network-joint-venture/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a44649909/automakers-ev-ch...