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Both of those emit much less CO2 per capita than the US. Heck, if India emitted 7x as much per capita, they'd still emit less than the US does.

rpmisms 2y ago
That's simply false. China under-reports by a vast amount, so does India. Also completely discounting the shipping aspect, which embargos would fix.
- input_sh 2y ago
  Well luckily I didn't consult either China's or India's own figures, but EU's, which addresses these concerns. > Bottom-up national emission inventories are therefore an essential component of reporting and tracking progress towards the goals of the Paris Agreement. However, national inventory reports are not yet available for all countries and years. In addition, they are dependent on individual national reporting processes and methodological choices, they can present data gaps for specific sectors and currently, except for Annex I parties, there is no obligation to include long-term series of emissions up to the most recent year. > The European Commission’s in-house Emissions Database for Global Atmospheric Research (EDGAR)7 offers an alternative to overcome these limitations and to complement national inventories and has the advantage of producing timely emission estimates that are comparable across countries. > EDGAR relies on several sources of international statistics for the underpinning data. Foremost among these is the International Energy Agency (IEA). To harmonise global GHG emission estimates, this booklet incorporates IEA CO2 emissions from fossil fuel combustion sources named IEA-EDGAR CO2 emission dataset (v2), which are complemented with in-house EDGAR estimates for CH4, N2O and F-gas emissions. PDF: https://edgar.jrc.ec.europa.eu/booklet/GHG_emissions_of_all_world_countries_booklet_2023report.pdf https://edgar.jrc.ec.europa.eu/booklet/GHG_emissions_of_all_...
- vasco 2y ago
  I'm not super versed in international relations but I think the current accepted view is that embargoes are one of the first stages of war. Trade prevents war.
- user_7832 2y ago
  > That's simply false. China under-reports by a vast amount, so does India. I can't comment on China but I highly suggest living for a month in an average Indian household if you have such delusions. (Yes, it's a delusion.) An easy way for an economist sitting at home to realize the same is look at PPP & currency valuations. The rupee is fairly weak but has a better PPP value, suggesting labour-based goods/services are cheaper/more common than capital-based ones. Hence why you have say more call centres (human-intensive) than high-tech Silicon Valley startups - an iPhone is "cheap" in the US, an hour of labour is "cheap" in India. Hence consumption of goods by Indians is very limited esp compared to the US.

rpmisms 2y ago

That's simply false. China under-reports by a vast amount, so does India. Also completely discounting the shipping aspect, which embargos would fix.

input_sh 2y ago
Well luckily I didn't consult either China's or India's own figures, but EU's, which addresses these concerns. > Bottom-up national emission inventories are therefore an essential component of reporting and tracking progress towards the goals of the Paris Agreement. However, national inventory reports are not yet available for all countries and years. In addition, they are dependent on individual national reporting processes and methodological choices, they can present data gaps for specific sectors and currently, except for Annex I parties, there is no obligation to include long-term series of emissions up to the most recent year. > The European Commission’s in-house Emissions Database for Global Atmospheric Research (EDGAR)7 offers an alternative to overcome these limitations and to complement national inventories and has the advantage of producing timely emission estimates that are comparable across countries. > EDGAR relies on several sources of international statistics for the underpinning data. Foremost among these is the International Energy Agency (IEA). To harmonise global GHG emission estimates, this booklet incorporates IEA CO2 emissions from fossil fuel combustion sources named IEA-EDGAR CO2 emission dataset (v2), which are complemented with in-house EDGAR estimates for CH4, N2O and F-gas emissions. PDF: https://edgar.jrc.ec.europa.eu/booklet/GHG_emissions_of_all_world_countries_booklet_2023report.pdf https://edgar.jrc.ec.europa.eu/booklet/GHG_emissions_of_all_...
vasco 2y ago
I'm not super versed in international relations but I think the current accepted view is that embargoes are one of the first stages of war. Trade prevents war.
user_7832 2y ago
> That's simply false. China under-reports by a vast amount, so does India. I can't comment on China but I highly suggest living for a month in an average Indian household if you have such delusions. (Yes, it's a delusion.) An easy way for an economist sitting at home to realize the same is look at PPP & currency valuations. The rupee is fairly weak but has a better PPP value, suggesting labour-based goods/services are cheaper/more common than capital-based ones. Hence why you have say more call centres (human-intensive) than high-tech Silicon Valley startups - an iPhone is "cheap" in the US, an hour of labour is "cheap" in India. Hence consumption of goods by Indians is very limited esp compared to the US.