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Extremist Militias Are Coordinating in More Than 100 Facebook Groups
- xyst 2y agoSecurity at the capitol to validate the vote is going to be wild.
- readyman 2y agoYou forgot the scarequotes: "Security" at the capitol...
- readthenotes1 2y agoDidn't we just read earlier today how the New York times set up a couple of hundred Facebook accounts?
- IAmGraydon 2y agoCare to elaborate on your incredibly vague comment?
- readthenotes1 2y agoSorry, that was lazy of me. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/us/alabama-senate-roy-jones-russia.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/us/alabama-senate-roy-jon...
- mdrzn 2y agoArticle from 6 years ago
- readthenotes1 2y agoAnd? I just read it that day
- falqun 2y agohow is that relevant?
- renewiltord 2y agoOkay, but coordinating in one Facebook group is hard. If they're doing it in 100, they're never going to get a chance to be extremist militia. They'll just be managing groups. This is good.
- 082349872349872 2y agoImagine being the poor FBI agent who has to keep track of 100 alts.
- wakawaka28 2y agoThey probably run a majority of those alts, trying to entrap people. Talking to other FBI unwittingly lol...
- 082349872349872 2y agoIt's not exactly entrapment when they wait for you to actually press the button on the fake bomb you ordered. (compare Winston Smith when O'Brien asks him whom he would kill)
- wakawaka28 2y agoIt is entrapment if they gave the dude ordering the fake bomb the idea and opportunity to buy a fake bomb lol. The FBI is notorious for finding vulnerable people and pressuring them into trying something. If anyone else did the exact same things to trick people, they'd be arrested.
- Terr_ 2y ago> It is entrapment if they gave the dude ordering the fake bomb the idea No, that's not how it works. Merely "giving the dude the idea" is never entrapment, because the average "any reasonable person" would not hear that kind suggestion and actually follow it.
- kaliqt 2y agoEveryone asks, "where are the militias", but no one stops to ask "why are there militias". And if your answer is simply because "racist", "evil", or any other weird notion, you are most certainly entirely wrong.
- Veraticus 2y agoAre you really claiming that extremist militias are actually a valid reaction to some kind of political problem? What a bizarre stance. We can solve political problems without resorting to extremism and violence; inability to do so is not noble or caused by something external.
- aprilthird2021 2y agoWhy is it a bizarre stance? Take the word "valid" out of your comment and you will see the value of at least understanding why extremist groups pop up. They may not be valid, but understanding their origins, roots, grievances, etc. allows us to formulate potential interventions that could take place before having to deal with armed criminals in a life-threatening manner.
- Veraticus 2y agoIt's a bizarre stance because justifying violent extremism creates more violent extremism, which endangers us all. Choosing this method of political activity should (and in my opinion does) automatically invalidate whatever political arguments you have. If you have legitimate political grievances, bring them to legitimate political arenas. Note how my philosophy still allows you to address origins, roots, grievances, etc. while also preventing the formation of violent militias because people won't listen to them or take them seriously. Yours forces us to take violent extremists seriously, even when their underlying concerns might not be worthy of consideration. Which is what violent extremists want.
- fwn 2y agoNot the parent, but this comment is peculiar in the way that it makes several somewhat unconnected, requirement heavy statements. > Are you really claiming that extremist militias are actually a valid reaction to some kind of political problem? What a bizarre stance. In ethics, just terrorism is a well debated concept. A fairly famous thinker on the subject was Satre, who was influenced, for example, by the Algerian struggle for independence from French colonial rule, which involved both guerrilla warfare and acts of terrorism. > We can solve political problems without resorting to extremism and violence In a general sense, this should be trivially true for extremism. But it can be a tricky concept, as the term is also used in a prescriptive way with a politically charged intention, much like "hate". Violence, it depends. If someone argues violence is never justified, that would be a pacifist position. > inability to do so is not noble or caused by something external. I don't see why moral superiority (noble) and external determination should be thrown together - or how either relates to the previous statements. I would agree though, that one's own actions are never purely caused by external influences, as I'm personally feeling strongly against team determinism. The previous commenter probably just wanted to highlight polarization as a driving force for radicalization, which isn't entirely untrue, but also, of course, complex. One needs to be able to call out the baddies, despite it being perceived as polarizing.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoI’d like more transparency and investigation and journalistic focus on TikTok and how it’s encouraging extremism by amplifying some topics and viewpoints above others, creating the kind of societal chaos we see in American universities right now. I’m less concerned about laughable militias and more about mass propagandizing by the CCP.
- hackerlight 2y agoPutin and CCP intelligence services are all over Facebook and other social media platforms[1]. This is a concerted effort across every possible avenue. It's not about Israel-Palestine per se, it's about trying to maximize every possible domestic division, whether it's White nationalism or Black nationalism or 5g or antivax conspiracy theories. Anything that creates division and chaos. The US and the free world is so strong the only thing that can defeat it is itself. [1] https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/09/16/1035851/facebook-troll-farms-report-us-2020-election/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/09/16/1035851/facebook...
- sergiomattei 2y agoSocietal chaos? Sometimes I wonder if those who comment these things, you know, touch grass.
- scotty79 2y agoHaven't you seen what most polarizing lowest forms of garbage content facebook algorithm serves? It's so much worse than tiktok.
- whearyou 2y agoThe downvotes to your comment illustrate how deep the rot perpetuated by XCCP, IRGC, FSB, Qataris, etc has gone. Not to say concern about domestically originating extremism isn’t warranted, but, if you’re downvoting a comment on “I’m most concerned about sources of social influence from the most regressive governments on earth”, you’ve got some serious bias
- janalsncm 2y ago
- joemazerino 2y agoThe article author Tess Owens has spent her entire career doxxing, canceling and attempting to ruin people's lives she deems unworthy. She routinely runs defense for Antifa, who is a violent political extremist group.
- falqun 2y agoYou do know that Antifa stands for Anti Fascism and is a political movement not a defined group, right?
- joemazerino 2y agoA common Antifa defensive trope. Label enemies as bad guys and thus justify any violence against them. Antifa started in Eastern Germany in the 30s to spread communism worldwide. They also called conservatives "fascists" which would provide them a convenient scapegoat to commit violence. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion
- financetechbro 2y agoHow about you link to the modern antifa and not the 1930s one https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)
- antifa 2y ago> A common Antifa defensive trope. Label enemies as bad guys and thus justify any violence against them. Is this you? > Antifa, who is a violent political extremist group. Seems like the trope is actually you calling antifa "violent", despite all evidence to the contrary, so you can justify violence against peaceful protestors.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 2y ago>She routinely runs defense for Antifa, who is a violent political extremist group. Oh my sides. The aryan nation, proud boys, and most other right wing organizations are either directly or indirectly violent political extremist group. From imprisoned white supremacists all the way to president trumps inner circle. Violence follows American conservatives. https://www.adl.org/resources/report/right-wing-extremist-terrorism-united-states https://www.adl.org/resources/report/right-wing-extremist-te... Antifa, short for "anti-fascist," is an ideology rather than a formal organization. It's a loose collection of individuals who oppose fascism and other forms of extreme right-wing ideology. While some practitioners of Antifa ideology have engaged in violent actions, it's important to note that violence isn't inherent to the ideology itself. Antifa's core principles center around confronting and resisting fascism through direct action, such as protests and counter-protests, as well as community organizing and education. Antifascists that perform acts of violence do so autonomously. Aryan nation members that commit violent acts do so either at the order of a senior member or will face violent punishment from their seniors for unsanctioned violence because such orgs maintain their power through wanton violence. I am always amused when people project their worldview upon others who actively practice sophisticated direct action instead of vague gestures at conservative political movements. TLDR- you don’t understand what antifa is and have shown your hand - revealing the fact you uncritically and exclusively consume conservative propaganda.