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> doesn't address any of the points Google is making. Yes it does. YouTube claims he violated their API terms of service and he explains that GrayJay doesn't u

> doesn't address any of the points Google is making. Yes it does. YouTube claims he violated their API terms of service and he explains that GrayJay doesn't use the API so they never agreed or accepted those terms. They had no need to.

wmf 3y ago
The normal YouTube TOS says things like "You are not allowed to: access, reproduce, download, distribute, transmit, broadcast, display, sell, license, alter, modify or otherwise use any part of the Service ... circumvent, disable, fraudulently engage with, or otherwise interfere with any part of the Service" https://www.youtube.com/t/terms#c3e2907ca8 https://www.youtube.com/t/terms#c3e2907ca8 This pretty much bans alternative clients.
- worik 3y ago
  IANAL just because they say it does not mean they can enforce it
- trothamel 3y ago
  This bans the use of alternative youtube clients, but not the creation of such clients.
  - gpm 3y ago
    It's not functionally possible to develop software without using it.
    - TheCleric 3y ago
      I don’t know. I’ve used plenty of software where I’ve asked myself “Did the people who wrote this ever try to actually use it?”
  - elevatedastalt 3y ago
    You can get upvotes here but this smartassery will get you a spanking in court.
  - wmf 3y ago
    Which is in some way worse. Not only would the TOS allow YouTube to ban Rossman, it would allow them to ban every person who uses GrayJay. Obviously they're not going to do that because of the collateral damage.
- greycol 3y ago
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- ThunderSizzle 3y ago
  Do you need to agree to youtube's TOS to use it? I can open youtube in an incognito window or on a machine I never used without a TOS consent required. Also, youtube itself is just a website. Websites can be accessed through multiple venues, aka browsers. Browsers don't always guarantee the way it will render or present html will be as the author would expect.
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
    What about embedded YouTube videos on other sites?

wmf 3y ago

The normal YouTube TOS says things like "You are not allowed to: access, reproduce, download, distribute, transmit, broadcast, display, sell, license, alter, modify or otherwise use any part of the Service ... circumvent, disable, fraudulently engage with, or otherwise interfere with any part of the Service" https://www.youtube.com/t/terms#c3e2907ca8 https://www.youtube.com/t/terms#c3e2907ca8 This pretty much bans alternative clients.

worik 3y ago
IANAL just because they say it does not mean they can enforce it
trothamel 3y ago
This bans the use of alternative youtube clients, but not the creation of such clients.
- gpm 3y ago
  It's not functionally possible to develop software without using it.
  - TheCleric 3y ago
    I don’t know. I’ve used plenty of software where I’ve asked myself “Did the people who wrote this ever try to actually use it?”
- elevatedastalt 3y ago
  You can get upvotes here but this smartassery will get you a spanking in court.
- wmf 3y ago
  Which is in some way worse. Not only would the TOS allow YouTube to ban Rossman, it would allow them to ban every person who uses GrayJay. Obviously they're not going to do that because of the collateral damage.
greycol 3y ago
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ThunderSizzle 3y ago
Do you need to agree to youtube's TOS to use it? I can open youtube in an incognito window or on a machine I never used without a TOS consent required. Also, youtube itself is just a website. Websites can be accessed through multiple venues, aka browsers. Browsers don't always guarantee the way it will render or present html will be as the author would expect.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
  What about embedded YouTube videos on other sites?