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These regulations are about consumer protection. They're not about protecting companies from each other, necessarily. Sure, in this case the focus is on iOS and

These regulations are about consumer protection. They're not about protecting companies from each other, necessarily. Sure, in this case the focus is on iOS and iOS developers but in the end that's because end users are getting fucked because of it. Do you have any example of EU companies that are fucking over consumers like the US ones tend to do? I'm not aware of any. I'm also not aware of any EU company that would be in the position to do so, sadly.

itopaloglu83 2y ago
Then the focus must be on the consumer protection itself. I’ve seen all ten hours of regulation discussions with Apple executives, and they were all about dismantling the iPhone and using all Apple products and services for free. In 90s when Ericsson and Nokia held almost 100% of the cell phone market, none of these topics were brought forward. That is quite the irony. It is incredibly hard to create a platform like iPhone and also create customer trust into spending money on it. And now that this is a place a significant percent of the commerce is taking place on this platform, it must be regulated. This must be done by laws and regulations. Not with anti-Apple or anti-Europe sentiments. We are even at least 5 years late in doing this. However, we simply cannot force anybody to work for free or take their possessions. As the Apple executives said in the commission hearing, it is their platform and they have to be compensated for any work they put into it. We want open access to this platform, not kill it. If an app is being side-loaded, then Apple is under no obligation to provide them any additional services that is not part of the OS. Which things like push notifications, and iCloud are not. Every app would either pay Appple to use those services or setup a connection to their own servers to distribute such notifications and use other object storage services. We’ve had Windows computers forever and they still don’t support push notifications unless you have the app or the browser open. Manufacturing the iPhone is one thing but there is billions of dollars of cost in developing and running the iOS. Apple will either recoup this cost somehow, with CTF or some other charge, or simply stop doing it, or worse stop selling it in Europe. FAANG companies are really powerful and I’m as worried about their downward effects on the society and consumers as you are.
- beeboobaa3 2y ago
  I just firmly disagree that a company selling a device that they are making a profit on can be considered "working for free". > We’ve had Windows computers forever and they still don’t support push notifications unless you have the app or the browser open. Not sure what you mean. They support TCP without weird limitations applied to it by the operating system. Every app that wants it has push notifications. They get the choice of implementing this themselves or using a service like firebase to help them out if they so choose. Their choice. Not Microsoft's. Not Apple's.

itopaloglu83 2y ago

Then the focus must be on the consumer protection itself. I’ve seen all ten hours of regulation discussions with Apple executives, and they were all about dismantling the iPhone and using all Apple products and services for free. In 90s when Ericsson and Nokia held almost 100% of the cell phone market, none of these topics were brought forward. That is quite the irony. It is incredibly hard to create a platform like iPhone and also create customer trust into spending money on it. And now that this is a place a significant percent of the commerce is taking place on this platform, it must be regulated. This must be done by laws and regulations. Not with anti-Apple or anti-Europe sentiments. We are even at least 5 years late in doing this. However, we simply cannot force anybody to work for free or take their possessions. As the Apple executives said in the commission hearing, it is their platform and they have to be compensated for any work they put into it. We want open access to this platform, not kill it. If an app is being side-loaded, then Apple is under no obligation to provide them any additional services that is not part of the OS. Which things like push notifications, and iCloud are not. Every app would either pay Appple to use those services or setup a connection to their own servers to distribute such notifications and use other object storage services. We’ve had Windows computers forever and they still don’t support push notifications unless you have the app or the browser open. Manufacturing the iPhone is one thing but there is billions of dollars of cost in developing and running the iOS. Apple will either recoup this cost somehow, with CTF or some other charge, or simply stop doing it, or worse stop selling it in Europe. FAANG companies are really powerful and I’m as worried about their downward effects on the society and consumers as you are.

beeboobaa3 2y ago
I just firmly disagree that a company selling a device that they are making a profit on can be considered "working for free". > We’ve had Windows computers forever and they still don’t support push notifications unless you have the app or the browser open. Not sure what you mean. They support TCP without weird limitations applied to it by the operating system. Every app that wants it has push notifications. They get the choice of implementing this themselves or using a service like firebase to help them out if they so choose. Their choice. Not Microsoft's. Not Apple's.