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Last I checked they haven't killed any passengers in awhile. Really not since: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_302#Final_report https:/

Last I checked they haven't killed any passengers in awhile. Really not since: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_302#Final_report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_302#... Which was due to MCAS malfunction and pilots responding poorly to it. I'm all for holding Boeing's feet to the fire, but, lets not devolve into hyperbole here.

rezonant 2y ago
Good point, the statute of limitations for killing your customers should probably only be two years. That's, like, ancient history in tech years! GPT 4 wasn't even released at that point! We can't keep holding them accountable for such negligence, after all they've been really really good in the two years since- they only let a door fall off of a plane once! And no one died from that! We don't need to mention that if the seat next to the door was filled and they were not wearing their seatbelt, it is highly likely they would have died. EDIT: My bad, it was 5 years ago, not 2 years ago. I skimmed the Wikipedia page too fast, much like Boeing's engineers did while trying to bypass FAA regulations. I should be punished, but Boeing did nothing wrong.
- akerl_ 2y ago
  This level of snark isn’t really productive to the conversation. Additionally, 2019 was 5 years ago.
  - Civitello 2y ago
    depends on the goal of the speaker
  - rezonant 2y ago
    Oh that's fair, you're right, that accident happened 5 years ago. Even more reason to excuse them from doing engineering badly! That is basically the beginning of the universe!
pokatrina 2y ago
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bparsons 2y ago
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pbsladek 2y ago
Agreed. Responding poorly maybe but all blame goes to Boeing. Pilots didn’t even know it existed and only got training and an override in 2021 from your link.
7thaccount 2y ago
No. In the case of Ethiopian airlines they knew exactly what was going on when MCAS kicked in and almost immediately responded. MCAS pushed the plane down SO hard that something in the tail got stuck. Boeing spent a lot of time trying to blame this on pilots when 1.) they initially didn't even train them on it, and 2.) even if trained...once it happens...you have extremely little time to react.
phyzome 2y ago
5 years is "a while"?
ralfn 2y ago
>Which was due to MCAS malfunction and pilots responding poorly to it. I think if they are the point where they are murdering whistleblowers than I wouldn't take Boeing gaslighting about who was to blame for that on face value.

rezonant 2y ago

Good point, the statute of limitations for killing your customers should probably only be two years. That's, like, ancient history in tech years! GPT 4 wasn't even released at that point! We can't keep holding them accountable for such negligence, after all they've been really really good in the two years since- they only let a door fall off of a plane once! And no one died from that! We don't need to mention that if the seat next to the door was filled and they were not wearing their seatbelt, it is highly likely they would have died. EDIT: My bad, it was 5 years ago, not 2 years ago. I skimmed the Wikipedia page too fast, much like Boeing's engineers did while trying to bypass FAA regulations. I should be punished, but Boeing did nothing wrong.

akerl_ 2y ago
This level of snark isn’t really productive to the conversation. Additionally, 2019 was 5 years ago.
- Civitello 2y ago
  depends on the goal of the speaker
- rezonant 2y ago
  Oh that's fair, you're right, that accident happened 5 years ago. Even more reason to excuse them from doing engineering badly! That is basically the beginning of the universe!

pokatrina 2y ago

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bparsons 2y ago

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pbsladek 2y ago

Agreed. Responding poorly maybe but all blame goes to Boeing. Pilots didn’t even know it existed and only got training and an override in 2021 from your link.

7thaccount 2y ago

No. In the case of Ethiopian airlines they knew exactly what was going on when MCAS kicked in and almost immediately responded. MCAS pushed the plane down SO hard that something in the tail got stuck. Boeing spent a lot of time trying to blame this on pilots when 1.) they initially didn't even train them on it, and 2.) even if trained...once it happens...you have extremely little time to react.

phyzome 2y ago

5 years is "a while"?

ralfn 2y ago

>Which was due to MCAS malfunction and pilots responding poorly to it. I think if they are the point where they are murdering whistleblowers than I wouldn't take Boeing gaslighting about who was to blame for that on face value.