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1 whistleblower death is an outlier. Two is an eye raiser. Three will be a pattern and point to Boeing no?

by gigatexal 3y ago

sarimkx 3y ago
I hope there is isn't a third! Pretty insane already...
pcloadletter_ 3y ago
Two out of how many though? Yeeeesh
- pfdietz 3y ago
  Yeah, this may just indicate there are lots of whistleblowers.
  - sslayer 3y ago
    If its Boeing, I'm not Blowing!
    - tomcam 3y ago
      And to think I was almost ready to hire you for my branding needs
- digitalsushi 3y ago
  2 out of 30 maybe
dyauspitr 3y ago
Though this guy seemed really sick so him taking his own life doesn’t seem insane. Does boeing have the ability to infect people with MRSA?
- codersfocus 3y ago
  >Does boeing have the ability to infect people with MRSA? Reminds the old soviet ricin umbrella injector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_umbrella https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_umbrella
  - deleted 3y ago
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- wavefunction 3y ago
  MRSA has some benefits to consider alongside its detriments. It is capable of surviving on surfaces so you could apply it to a surface that your target interacts with and be relatively confident that it will be viable when the target contacts it. It's common, so it's not some sort of exotic bio-weapon that screams cloak-and-daggers: you can get MRSA in a hospital even. I think it's pretty resilient too so once your target has contacted the MRSA simple hygienic practices wouldn't neutralize it like taking a shower or bath. But as far as I know it is very treatable by knowledgeable medical professionals if caught early so in that sense it's not a guaranteed attack-vector and a poor choice for an assassination. Depending on a target who doesn't visit the doctor until too late, maybe less of an issue.
  - moralestapia 3y ago
    >and a poor choice for an assassination And yet, it worked.
    - Rebelgecko 3y ago
      Is there any evidence he was assassinated or are people just trying to meme it into being the truth?
      - moralestapia 3y ago
        I mean the guy died from MRSA. So, that thing is somewhat effective at killing people.
ndr 3y ago
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action" ― Ian Fleming, Goldfinger
groby_b 3y ago
It's... just barely probable with two people. Assuming 30 whistleblowers, and an actuarial likelihood of 1.2% death[1] in a given year at their ages, we can use binomial probability[2] to determine the chance of two dying in a given year. The math works out to a 4.4% chance. That's a bit of an eye raiser, but still just believable. (Look, we all believe it can happen we roll a critical in D&D ;) 3 or more dying in a year, we're at 0.5% - I'd really assume that's deliberate. [1] Actuarial tables: https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html [2] Calculator if you want to play with probabilities: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=binomial+probability+calculator&assumption=%7B%22F%22%2C+%22BinomialProbabilities%22%2C+%22x%22%7D+-%3E%2227%22&assumption=%7B%22F%22%2C+%22BinomialProbabilities%22%2C+%22n%22%7D+-%3E%2230%22&assumption=%7B%22F%22%2C+%22BinomialProbabilities%22%2C+%22p%22%7D+-%3E%220.988%22 https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=binomial+probability+ca...
- htss2013 3y ago
  Can we not make a reasonable assumption that whistleblowers against a powerful company have a much higher than average risk of dying? Knowing nothing about them personally we can reasonably conclude: - They get regular death threats. - The opposing law firms probably have PIs digging into their lives for dirt to discredit them. - Their careers in their line of work are over and as far as I know, there's no whistle-blower retirement fund. - Everyone they knew and worked with for many years and who still works there probably cut them off for fear of being associated with them. - Because of all this their sleep is probably horrible, they're much more likely to have unhealthy alcohol habits, and to have financial problems.
  - groby_b 3y ago
    Maybe. But these are all random assumptions, and we have no way of taking them into account without a lot of work on the modeling. But the point I was trying to make (badly, based on where the discussion is going :) was that "two whistleblowers dying is still somewhat probable". Increased likelihood of death just makes it more probable.

1 whistleblower death is an outlier. Two is an eye raiser. Three will be a pattern and point to Boeing no?

sarimkx 3y ago

I hope there is isn't a third! Pretty insane already...

pcloadletter_ 3y ago

Two out of how many though? Yeeeesh

pfdietz 3y ago
Yeah, this may just indicate there are lots of whistleblowers.
- sslayer 3y ago
  If its Boeing, I'm not Blowing!
  - tomcam 3y ago
    And to think I was almost ready to hire you for my branding needs
digitalsushi 3y ago
2 out of 30 maybe

dyauspitr 3y ago

Though this guy seemed really sick so him taking his own life doesn’t seem insane. Does boeing have the ability to infect people with MRSA?

codersfocus 3y ago
>Does boeing have the ability to infect people with MRSA? Reminds the old soviet ricin umbrella injector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_umbrella https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_umbrella
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
wavefunction 3y ago
MRSA has some benefits to consider alongside its detriments. It is capable of surviving on surfaces so you could apply it to a surface that your target interacts with and be relatively confident that it will be viable when the target contacts it. It's common, so it's not some sort of exotic bio-weapon that screams cloak-and-daggers: you can get MRSA in a hospital even. I think it's pretty resilient too so once your target has contacted the MRSA simple hygienic practices wouldn't neutralize it like taking a shower or bath. But as far as I know it is very treatable by knowledgeable medical professionals if caught early so in that sense it's not a guaranteed attack-vector and a poor choice for an assassination. Depending on a target who doesn't visit the doctor until too late, maybe less of an issue.
- moralestapia 3y ago
  >and a poor choice for an assassination And yet, it worked.
  - Rebelgecko 3y ago
    Is there any evidence he was assassinated or are people just trying to meme it into being the truth?
    - moralestapia 3y ago
      I mean the guy died from MRSA. So, that thing is somewhat effective at killing people.

ndr 3y ago

"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action" ― Ian Fleming, Goldfinger

groby_b 3y ago

It's... just barely probable with two people. Assuming 30 whistleblowers, and an actuarial likelihood of 1.2% death[1] in a given year at their ages, we can use binomial probability[2] to determine the chance of two dying in a given year. The math works out to a 4.4% chance. That's a bit of an eye raiser, but still just believable. (Look, we all believe it can happen we roll a critical in D&D ;) 3 or more dying in a year, we're at 0.5% - I'd really assume that's deliberate. [1] Actuarial tables: https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html [2] Calculator if you want to play with probabilities: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=binomial+probability+calculator&assumption=%7B%22F%22%2C+%22BinomialProbabilities%22%2C+%22x%22%7D+-%3E%2227%22&assumption=%7B%22F%22%2C+%22BinomialProbabilities%22%2C+%22n%22%7D+-%3E%2230%22&assumption=%7B%22F%22%2C+%22BinomialProbabilities%22%2C+%22p%22%7D+-%3E%220.988%22 https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=binomial+probability+ca...

htss2013 3y ago
Can we not make a reasonable assumption that whistleblowers against a powerful company have a much higher than average risk of dying? Knowing nothing about them personally we can reasonably conclude: - They get regular death threats. - The opposing law firms probably have PIs digging into their lives for dirt to discredit them. - Their careers in their line of work are over and as far as I know, there's no whistle-blower retirement fund. - Everyone they knew and worked with for many years and who still works there probably cut them off for fear of being associated with them. - Because of all this their sleep is probably horrible, they're much more likely to have unhealthy alcohol habits, and to have financial problems.
- groby_b 3y ago
  Maybe. But these are all random assumptions, and we have no way of taking them into account without a lot of work on the modeling. But the point I was trying to make (badly, based on where the discussion is going :) was that "two whistleblowers dying is still somewhat probable". Increased likelihood of death just makes it more probable.