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What is the common ground? I for one am happy that the vast majority of people do not find the tradeoff acceptable. Ubiquitous masking during COVID was dystopia

What is the common ground? I for one am happy that the vast majority of people do not find the tradeoff acceptable. Ubiquitous masking during COVID was dystopian and damaging and I couldn't imagine having this indefinitely.

bloopernova 2y ago
In my opinion, I'd be happy if people masked up if they have any cold-like symptoms. That would prevent some infections being passed, and wouldn't require people to be masked 100% of the time. Would that be acceptable to your social group do you think?
- lambdaba 2y ago
  Personally I'd be happy to never see another masked person again, if you have an infection that you suspect is serious just stay home. If you have to go out you better wear a real effective respirator mask and not a piece of cloth. But I'd rather prozelitize about taking measures for one's defense (everything to support the immune system, vitamin D, proper nutrition, etc), than the theatrical masking we've seen so far. Again, if it's serious than at least wear a mask that offers some believable protection.
  - toss1 2y ago
    That sounds nice, but many diseases,including COVID19 have a phase where the person is very contagious BEFORE they get symptoms. Even with millions of deaths, we were incredibly lucky that CV-19 had only a ~2% case/fatality rate. Many other diseases are far higher, including the Avian Flu H5N1 at over 50% in humans. Being healthy is a false sense of security (i.e., you don't know what you are talking about and are spreading ignorance). For example the group the 1918 Flu pandemic killed most was yoing healthy males (incl my wife's GGP). Why? Because it caused a huge immune system response called a cytokine storm, and the most healthy males had the strongest immune response, and it killed them (yes, our biological system has a few bugs). The entire job of diseases is to overcome healthy subjects and spread despite this. Stop spreading ignorant wishful thinking.
teh_infallible 2y ago
I don’t think there’s any common ground with people who want to normalize masking in public.
tehjoker 2y ago
I was just in Taiwan and about half the people there just mask, even outside riding bicycles. This conception you are advocating is very America centric, and deadly in the midst of an ongoing pandemic. You can't just wish the material world away.
- lambdaba 2y ago
  Well, I do not wish to see that imported in the western world. Wearing a mask offers much less protection to yourself and others than taking measures for your immune health, but that's somehow controversial and never discussed at a societal level. I'm still shocked vitamin D supplementation was barely mentioned during COVID. But authorities only cared for theatrical measures, and imitating each other so they don't stand out.
  - tehjoker 2y ago
    This is just wrong sorry. Wearing a respirator will block >99% of all airborne particles, and an N95 will block 95% of 0.3 micron particles. Your immune system works well, but when we're talking about human pathogens, they are specifically organisms that have figured out how to defeat several levels of countermeasures and will harm you. More on respirator physics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAdanPfQdCA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAdanPfQdCA EDIT: I see above you've noted respirators work. Masks also work, but not perfectly. See this video as to why surgical masks are still useful. In fact Taiwan achieved zero COVID using almost exclusively universal masking until more transmissible variants showed up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y47t9qLc9I4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y47t9qLc9I4
    - lambdaba 2y ago
      What is wrong? That I'd rather have people have proper vitamin D status, a core regulator of the immune system that's basically free to manufacture? Or wear a piece of cloth that does.. What? What does blocking 99% of particles mean for risk of infection?
      - 2y ago
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bloopernova 2y ago

In my opinion, I'd be happy if people masked up if they have any cold-like symptoms. That would prevent some infections being passed, and wouldn't require people to be masked 100% of the time. Would that be acceptable to your social group do you think?

lambdaba 2y ago
Personally I'd be happy to never see another masked person again, if you have an infection that you suspect is serious just stay home. If you have to go out you better wear a real effective respirator mask and not a piece of cloth. But I'd rather prozelitize about taking measures for one's defense (everything to support the immune system, vitamin D, proper nutrition, etc), than the theatrical masking we've seen so far. Again, if it's serious than at least wear a mask that offers some believable protection.
- toss1 2y ago
  That sounds nice, but many diseases,including COVID19 have a phase where the person is very contagious BEFORE they get symptoms. Even with millions of deaths, we were incredibly lucky that CV-19 had only a ~2% case/fatality rate. Many other diseases are far higher, including the Avian Flu H5N1 at over 50% in humans. Being healthy is a false sense of security (i.e., you don't know what you are talking about and are spreading ignorance). For example the group the 1918 Flu pandemic killed most was yoing healthy males (incl my wife's GGP). Why? Because it caused a huge immune system response called a cytokine storm, and the most healthy males had the strongest immune response, and it killed them (yes, our biological system has a few bugs). The entire job of diseases is to overcome healthy subjects and spread despite this. Stop spreading ignorant wishful thinking.

teh_infallible 2y ago

I don’t think there’s any common ground with people who want to normalize masking in public.

tehjoker 2y ago

I was just in Taiwan and about half the people there just mask, even outside riding bicycles. This conception you are advocating is very America centric, and deadly in the midst of an ongoing pandemic. You can't just wish the material world away.

lambdaba 2y ago
Well, I do not wish to see that imported in the western world. Wearing a mask offers much less protection to yourself and others than taking measures for your immune health, but that's somehow controversial and never discussed at a societal level. I'm still shocked vitamin D supplementation was barely mentioned during COVID. But authorities only cared for theatrical measures, and imitating each other so they don't stand out.
- tehjoker 2y ago
  This is just wrong sorry. Wearing a respirator will block >99% of all airborne particles, and an N95 will block 95% of 0.3 micron particles. Your immune system works well, but when we're talking about human pathogens, they are specifically organisms that have figured out how to defeat several levels of countermeasures and will harm you. More on respirator physics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAdanPfQdCA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAdanPfQdCA EDIT: I see above you've noted respirators work. Masks also work, but not perfectly. See this video as to why surgical masks are still useful. In fact Taiwan achieved zero COVID using almost exclusively universal masking until more transmissible variants showed up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y47t9qLc9I4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y47t9qLc9I4
  - lambdaba 2y ago
    What is wrong? That I'd rather have people have proper vitamin D status, a core regulator of the immune system that's basically free to manufacture? Or wear a piece of cloth that does.. What? What does blocking 99% of particles mean for risk of infection?
    - 2y ago

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