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Which platforms?

by patrickmcnamara 2y ago

Which platforms?

Asmod4n 2y ago
Android, Xbox, Playstation, Nintendo Switch to name a few.
- patrickmcnamara 2y ago
  Android is already pretty open tbf so I don't think the EU would do anything. Those other three don't meet the 45 million users requirements.
  - Asmod4n 2y ago
    Android, iOS, Console and TV Devices aren't that different, none of them allow you to install what you could on them. I hope there will be a country that forces manufacturers to let you install any operating system of your choice on the devices you buy as long as they have screen output and USB/Bluetooth input.
    - itopaloglu83 2y ago
      Here are some additional discussions I'm seeing that will take place within a year. - Apple's iOS is kicking our app from memory too soon. - iOS does not allow apps to run continuously and at full power. - Apple stops push notification and iCloud support for third party apps.
- beeboobaa3 2y ago
  None of which are EU based?
itopaloglu83 2y ago
Let me start with this: I fully support any effort to regulate markets and ensure rights of users especially privacy. The fact that not a single European company was declared a gatekeeper is getting a lot of attention, some are even calling it a “shakedown of American companies”. There are a lot of European companies that have monopoly-like powers in the markets they’re in. ASML is one for semiconductor lithography. Just look at the patents many European companies hold and how Europe makes money. The point that I’m trying to make is that yes the mobile computing platforms should be open and free. However, the line between regulation of markets and going after specific companies not because they’re stopping innovation but instead because they’re not European. I’m afraid that if Trump gets elected, there will be a similar trade war between Europe and the United States as well.
- beeboobaa3 2y ago
  These regulations are about consumer protection. They're not about protecting companies from each other, necessarily. Sure, in this case the focus is on iOS and iOS developers but in the end that's because end users are getting fucked because of it. Do you have any example of EU companies that are fucking over consumers like the US ones tend to do? I'm not aware of any. I'm also not aware of any EU company that would be in the position to do so, sadly.
  - itopaloglu83 2y ago
    Then the focus must be on the consumer protection itself. I’ve seen all ten hours of regulation discussions with Apple executives, and they were all about dismantling the iPhone and using all Apple products and services for free. In 90s when Ericsson and Nokia held almost 100% of the cell phone market, none of these topics were brought forward. That is quite the irony. It is incredibly hard to create a platform like iPhone and also create customer trust into spending money on it. And now that this is a place a significant percent of the commerce is taking place on this platform, it must be regulated. This must be done by laws and regulations. Not with anti-Apple or anti-Europe sentiments. We are even at least 5 years late in doing this. However, we simply cannot force anybody to work for free or take their possessions. As the Apple executives said in the commission hearing, it is their platform and they have to be compensated for any work they put into it. We want open access to this platform, not kill it. If an app is being side-loaded, then Apple is under no obligation to provide them any additional services that is not part of the OS. Which things like push notifications, and iCloud are not. Every app would either pay Appple to use those services or setup a connection to their own servers to distribute such notifications and use other object storage services. We’ve had Windows computers forever and they still don’t support push notifications unless you have the app or the browser open. Manufacturing the iPhone is one thing but there is billions of dollars of cost in developing and running the iOS. Apple will either recoup this cost somehow, with CTF or some other charge, or simply stop doing it, or worse stop selling it in Europe. FAANG companies are really powerful and I’m as worried about their downward effects on the society and consumers as you are.
    - 2y ago

Which platforms?

Asmod4n 2y ago

Android, Xbox, Playstation, Nintendo Switch to name a few.

patrickmcnamara 2y ago
Android is already pretty open tbf so I don't think the EU would do anything. Those other three don't meet the 45 million users requirements.
- Asmod4n 2y ago
  Android, iOS, Console and TV Devices aren't that different, none of them allow you to install what you could on them. I hope there will be a country that forces manufacturers to let you install any operating system of your choice on the devices you buy as long as they have screen output and USB/Bluetooth input.
  - itopaloglu83 2y ago
    Here are some additional discussions I'm seeing that will take place within a year. - Apple's iOS is kicking our app from memory too soon. - iOS does not allow apps to run continuously and at full power. - Apple stops push notification and iCloud support for third party apps.
beeboobaa3 2y ago
None of which are EU based?

itopaloglu83 2y ago

Let me start with this: I fully support any effort to regulate markets and ensure rights of users especially privacy. The fact that not a single European company was declared a gatekeeper is getting a lot of attention, some are even calling it a “shakedown of American companies”. There are a lot of European companies that have monopoly-like powers in the markets they’re in. ASML is one for semiconductor lithography. Just look at the patents many European companies hold and how Europe makes money. The point that I’m trying to make is that yes the mobile computing platforms should be open and free. However, the line between regulation of markets and going after specific companies not because they’re stopping innovation but instead because they’re not European. I’m afraid that if Trump gets elected, there will be a similar trade war between Europe and the United States as well.

beeboobaa3 2y ago
These regulations are about consumer protection. They're not about protecting companies from each other, necessarily. Sure, in this case the focus is on iOS and iOS developers but in the end that's because end users are getting fucked because of it. Do you have any example of EU companies that are fucking over consumers like the US ones tend to do? I'm not aware of any. I'm also not aware of any EU company that would be in the position to do so, sadly.
- itopaloglu83 2y ago
  Then the focus must be on the consumer protection itself. I’ve seen all ten hours of regulation discussions with Apple executives, and they were all about dismantling the iPhone and using all Apple products and services for free. In 90s when Ericsson and Nokia held almost 100% of the cell phone market, none of these topics were brought forward. That is quite the irony. It is incredibly hard to create a platform like iPhone and also create customer trust into spending money on it. And now that this is a place a significant percent of the commerce is taking place on this platform, it must be regulated. This must be done by laws and regulations. Not with anti-Apple or anti-Europe sentiments. We are even at least 5 years late in doing this. However, we simply cannot force anybody to work for free or take their possessions. As the Apple executives said in the commission hearing, it is their platform and they have to be compensated for any work they put into it. We want open access to this platform, not kill it. If an app is being side-loaded, then Apple is under no obligation to provide them any additional services that is not part of the OS. Which things like push notifications, and iCloud are not. Every app would either pay Appple to use those services or setup a connection to their own servers to distribute such notifications and use other object storage services. We’ve had Windows computers forever and they still don’t support push notifications unless you have the app or the browser open. Manufacturing the iPhone is one thing but there is billions of dollars of cost in developing and running the iOS. Apple will either recoup this cost somehow, with CTF or some other charge, or simply stop doing it, or worse stop selling it in Europe. FAANG companies are really powerful and I’m as worried about their downward effects on the society and consumers as you are.
  - 2y ago