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Should these rules also apply to things like the push notification system, iCloud sync infrastructure, or access to training materials etc.? Apple might have a

Should these rules also apply to things like the push notification system, iCloud sync infrastructure, or access to training materials etc.? Apple might have a valid court case if they are forced to provide a service for free if it's costing them something. European Union is walking a very tight line and the fact that there is no European company declared as a gatekeeper might lead to some concerns.

Kwpolska 2y ago
> access to training materials The materials that are freely available to anyone on the Internet? Besides, if you develop for alternative stores, you still need to pay the $99/year fee. > the push notification system How much does running that system cost for the average app? Is Apple willing to allow alternative push notification systems?
- itopaloglu83 2y ago
  Just as a reminder, I'm not saying iOS should stay closed. Mobile computing platforms should be open and allow innovation. However, we cannot simply force private companies to provide services that costs them money. They are also under no obligation to implement any other continuous communication system to devices on their platform. It is their platform, with good and bad. Being free or open does not constitute that every valuable product or service Apple created are now in the public domain and nobody should be paying for them.
  - beeboobaa3 2y ago
    > However, we cannot simply force private companies to provide services that costs them money. Ah, but we can. > They are also under no obligation to implement any other continuous communication system to devices on their platform. And yes, they are. Just like how utility companies aren't allowed to shut off the water because someone stopped paying. They can choose to stop doing business if they do not agree with these laws.
    - itopaloglu83 2y ago
      So this is not about creating an open and free market but instead forcibly taking the property of private companies and making them sell product at a loss. Sure. Go ahead. /s
      - talldayo 2y ago
        Regulation doesn't force businesses to sell products at a loss, bad business decisions do.
beeboobaa3 2y ago
Anything that uses their servers they could potentially charge for. Of course they must also make it possible to implement these things yourself without using their servers.
- itopaloglu83 2y ago
  Agreed. I’m most worried about notifications. Each app having their continuous connection would drain the battery really quickly.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    It's so much easier to plug into the NSA's - I mean - Apple's service: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-secretly-giving-governments-push-notification-data/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-...

Kwpolska 2y ago

> access to training materials The materials that are freely available to anyone on the Internet? Besides, if you develop for alternative stores, you still need to pay the $99/year fee. > the push notification system How much does running that system cost for the average app? Is Apple willing to allow alternative push notification systems?

itopaloglu83 2y ago
Just as a reminder, I'm not saying iOS should stay closed. Mobile computing platforms should be open and allow innovation. However, we cannot simply force private companies to provide services that costs them money. They are also under no obligation to implement any other continuous communication system to devices on their platform. It is their platform, with good and bad. Being free or open does not constitute that every valuable product or service Apple created are now in the public domain and nobody should be paying for them.
- beeboobaa3 2y ago
  > However, we cannot simply force private companies to provide services that costs them money. Ah, but we can. > They are also under no obligation to implement any other continuous communication system to devices on their platform. And yes, they are. Just like how utility companies aren't allowed to shut off the water because someone stopped paying. They can choose to stop doing business if they do not agree with these laws.
  - itopaloglu83 2y ago
    So this is not about creating an open and free market but instead forcibly taking the property of private companies and making them sell product at a loss. Sure. Go ahead. /s
    - talldayo 2y ago
      Regulation doesn't force businesses to sell products at a loss, bad business decisions do.

beeboobaa3 2y ago

Anything that uses their servers they could potentially charge for. Of course they must also make it possible to implement these things yourself without using their servers.

itopaloglu83 2y ago
Agreed. I’m most worried about notifications. Each app having their continuous connection would drain the battery really quickly.
- talldayo 2y ago
  It's so much easier to plug into the NSA's - I mean - Apple's service: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-secretly-giving-governments-push-notification-data/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-...