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> The CTF is an element of the alternative business terms in the EU that reflects the value Apple provides developers through tools, technologies, and services

> The CTF is an element of the alternative business terms in the EU that reflects the value Apple provides developers through tools, technologies, and services that enable them to build and share innovative apps. Is there an option NOT to use the "tools, technologies, and services" to build an app that runs on iOS?

gjsman-1000 3y ago
No kidding. That would be interesting even if it would be a monstrous task - a third party iOS SDK. In theory, it's possible. Apple would be livid though.
- withinboredom 3y ago
  I'm down to try. However, I think we'd have to take them to court just to get a code signing cert blessed by them because I wouldn't even want to need a copy of xcode.
- beeboobaa3 3y ago
  Good luck getting anything signed.
  - withinboredom 3y ago
    I think it would be possible. It took some effort, but eventually Microsoft caved and provided a key for blessing safe-boot for Linux. Getting to that point, on the other hand, would probably require a pretty significant court case; meaning someone would need some deep pockets.
    - beeboobaa3 3y ago
      Of course it's technically possible if apple gives in. I just don't think they ever will. I'd love it if they would instead switch to something similar like android where apks have to be signed, apks distributed via the play store are (nowadays) signed by google, but if you distribute it yourself you can just sign it yourself and the only requirement of the signature is that it must be the same for subsequent updates.
DanAtC 3y ago
You'd think they could cover it with the yearly developer fee and constant hardware updates (Gotta get a new Mac if you want the latest version of Xcode to support the latest iPhone, which you'll also need to run the latest iOS since the simulator is never enough). This is just greed.
- withinboredom 3y ago
  > This is just greed. Nah, just garden variety extortion.
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gjsman-1000 3y ago

No kidding. That would be interesting even if it would be a monstrous task - a third party iOS SDK. In theory, it's possible. Apple would be livid though.

withinboredom 3y ago
I'm down to try. However, I think we'd have to take them to court just to get a code signing cert blessed by them because I wouldn't even want to need a copy of xcode.
beeboobaa3 3y ago
Good luck getting anything signed.
- withinboredom 3y ago
  I think it would be possible. It took some effort, but eventually Microsoft caved and provided a key for blessing safe-boot for Linux. Getting to that point, on the other hand, would probably require a pretty significant court case; meaning someone would need some deep pockets.
  - beeboobaa3 3y ago
    Of course it's technically possible if apple gives in. I just don't think they ever will. I'd love it if they would instead switch to something similar like android where apks have to be signed, apks distributed via the play store are (nowadays) signed by google, but if you distribute it yourself you can just sign it yourself and the only requirement of the signature is that it must be the same for subsequent updates.

DanAtC 3y ago

You'd think they could cover it with the yearly developer fee and constant hardware updates (Gotta get a new Mac if you want the latest version of Xcode to support the latest iPhone, which you'll also need to run the latest iOS since the simulator is never enough). This is just greed.

withinboredom 3y ago
> This is just greed. Nah, just garden variety extortion.

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