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Not to mention how old some of them must be.

dingnuts 2y ago
well this guy was 45 and described as healthy in the article, but shows up to the hospital with a mysterious lung problem and then gets MRSA it's not exactly a smoking gun but you can't blame the guy's age, either. 45 is just middle age, I hope
- cft 2y ago
  The chance to die from all causes at the age of 45 is 0.41% https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html Combined with the suicide two months ago (with his prior warning "please don't believe that I committed suicide") this deserves an investigation, not a simple dismissal.
  - kingTug 2y ago
    Does anyone know if they're investigating that? It was supposedly in his car, in the hotel parking lot he was staying at for the deposition. Seems implausible there wasn't a security camera somewhere in the vicinity.
  - somenameforme 2y ago
    Actuarial tables are for all people. So it also of course includes deaths from cancer, obesity related diseases, alcoholism/drug abuse, etc. The odds of a healthy 45 year old just randomly dying from a mysterious infection are going to be orders of magnitude lower than 0.41%.
  - danielfoster 2y ago
    People can easily be paranoid and suicidal at the same time.
    - rootusrootus 2y ago
      Heck, I bet that Venn diagram has quite a lot of overlap indeed.
  - rootusrootus 2y ago
    Per year. If the whistleblowers have been known for several years, then it's not just the current year that counts.
- neom 2y ago
  In my opinion it's highly unlikely he was murdered, however if he was, personally, I would be more inclined to pin the blame on an adversary of the Americans to sew some distrust vs Boeing or it's shareholders.
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- rootusrootus 2y ago
  As someone who crossed 45 not that long ago, I gotta say that I have definitely noticed an uptick in people dying who I'm acquainted with.
- tootie 2y ago
  A friend died at 40 from lung cancer despite never smoking. It's rare but it happens. How many proven assassinations of corporate whistleblowers have happened in the US? I think it's zero in the last 100 years at least.
  - jjk166 2y ago
    https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdga/pr/two-sentenced-their-roles-murder-man-who-blew-whistle-illegal-labor-conspiracy https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdga/pr/two-sentenced-their-rol... Assassinations of corporate whistleblowers also falls under the category of "it's rare but it happens."
    - tootie 2y ago
      I mean, that's not exactly the same. These guys were running a local tree-cutting serving, not a Fortune 500. And they weren't just accused of negligent business practice, they were accused of human trafficking and theft. They murdered a whistleblower to keep themselves out of jail, not to protect share prices.
      - jjk166 2y ago
        > These guys were running a local tree-cutting serving, not a Fortune 500. I imagine Boeing can do anything a local tree-cutting service can do. > And they weren't just accused of negligent business practice, they were accused of human trafficking and theft. They murdered a whistleblower to keep themselves out of jail, not to protect share prices. Boeing execs are accused of committing massive fraud which endangered the lives of thousands, as well as other crimes to cover up the safety issues. They are currently under criminal investigation, with many individuals facing possible jail time. When people say corporate assassination, they mean people working for a corporation orchestrate the death of a person for reasons associated with the corporation.
        tootie 2y ago
        So, for one, you just glossed over my point. Namely, no otherwise legitimate corporation has ever killed a whistleblower. Secondly, this tree-cutting service was run by two people who were caught. Boeing could not possibly pull of a murder-for-hire conspiracy without leaking. They can't pull off a skip-a-few-bolts-to-save-money conspiracy without leaking. And again, I ask what would they possibly be trying to accomplish by murdering people who's story is already told? What in the absolute world would they get out of murdering someone from a supplier while half the world thinks they just murdered someone else? They would be committing corporate suicide over cases they would probably be able to settle out of.
- lamontcg 2y ago
  > then gets MRSA That's just due to what is happening to health care in this country. The underlying cause is the same short-term-profits capitalism that has fucked over Boeing. The conspiracy is just the trivial one that requires only perverse economic incentives and not assassination.

well this guy was 45 and described as healthy in the article, but shows up to the hospital with a mysterious lung problem and then gets MRSA it's not exactly a smoking gun but you can't blame the guy's age, either. 45 is just middle age, I hope

cft 2y ago
The chance to die from all causes at the age of 45 is 0.41% https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html Combined with the suicide two months ago (with his prior warning "please don't believe that I committed suicide") this deserves an investigation, not a simple dismissal.
- kingTug 2y ago
  Does anyone know if they're investigating that? It was supposedly in his car, in the hotel parking lot he was staying at for the deposition. Seems implausible there wasn't a security camera somewhere in the vicinity.
- somenameforme 2y ago
  Actuarial tables are for all people. So it also of course includes deaths from cancer, obesity related diseases, alcoholism/drug abuse, etc. The odds of a healthy 45 year old just randomly dying from a mysterious infection are going to be orders of magnitude lower than 0.41%.
- danielfoster 2y ago
  People can easily be paranoid and suicidal at the same time.
  - rootusrootus 2y ago
    Heck, I bet that Venn diagram has quite a lot of overlap indeed.
- rootusrootus 2y ago
  Per year. If the whistleblowers have been known for several years, then it's not just the current year that counts.
neom 2y ago
In my opinion it's highly unlikely he was murdered, however if he was, personally, I would be more inclined to pin the blame on an adversary of the Americans to sew some distrust vs Boeing or it's shareholders.
- deleted 2y ago
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rootusrootus 2y ago
As someone who crossed 45 not that long ago, I gotta say that I have definitely noticed an uptick in people dying who I'm acquainted with.
tootie 2y ago
A friend died at 40 from lung cancer despite never smoking. It's rare but it happens. How many proven assassinations of corporate whistleblowers have happened in the US? I think it's zero in the last 100 years at least.
- jjk166 2y ago
  https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdga/pr/two-sentenced-their-roles-murder-man-who-blew-whistle-illegal-labor-conspiracy https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdga/pr/two-sentenced-their-rol... Assassinations of corporate whistleblowers also falls under the category of "it's rare but it happens."
  - tootie 2y ago
    I mean, that's not exactly the same. These guys were running a local tree-cutting serving, not a Fortune 500. And they weren't just accused of negligent business practice, they were accused of human trafficking and theft. They murdered a whistleblower to keep themselves out of jail, not to protect share prices.
    - jjk166 2y ago
      > These guys were running a local tree-cutting serving, not a Fortune 500. I imagine Boeing can do anything a local tree-cutting service can do. > And they weren't just accused of negligent business practice, they were accused of human trafficking and theft. They murdered a whistleblower to keep themselves out of jail, not to protect share prices. Boeing execs are accused of committing massive fraud which endangered the lives of thousands, as well as other crimes to cover up the safety issues. They are currently under criminal investigation, with many individuals facing possible jail time. When people say corporate assassination, they mean people working for a corporation orchestrate the death of a person for reasons associated with the corporation.
      - tootie 2y ago
        So, for one, you just glossed over my point. Namely, no otherwise legitimate corporation has ever killed a whistleblower. Secondly, this tree-cutting service was run by two people who were caught. Boeing could not possibly pull of a murder-for-hire conspiracy without leaking. They can't pull off a skip-a-few-bolts-to-save-money conspiracy without leaking. And again, I ask what would they possibly be trying to accomplish by murdering people who's story is already told? What in the absolute world would they get out of murdering someone from a supplier while half the world thinks they just murdered someone else? They would be committing corporate suicide over cases they would probably be able to settle out of.
lamontcg 2y ago
> then gets MRSA That's just due to what is happening to health care in this country. The underlying cause is the same short-term-profits capitalism that has fucked over Boeing. The conspiracy is just the trivial one that requires only perverse economic incentives and not assassination.