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If they were really killed because of their leaks, I struggle to find what could be so sensitive that an assassination is ever an option. Do Boeing engineers wo

by rakoo 2y ago

If they were really killed because of their leaks, I struggle to find what could be so sensitive that an assassination is ever an option. Do Boeing engineers work on stuff that secretive ? Are you given the nuclear codes on your first day ? I'm really curious

colechristensen 2y ago
This is the commercial arm of Boeing, but not even that bit a spun off bit of Boeing that just builds airframes called Spirit. Boeing does do highly classified things in other branches of the company that have nothing to do with any of this, even then nobody would be assassinated for the most egregious espionage outside of some absurd movie plot scenario. Spies go to prison if they’re not recruited for counterintelligence. Influenza and MRSA would be very odd assassination tools.
cm2187 2y ago
Any other industry I would have called bullshit, but defense companies are always a bit murky, with close links to intelligence services (who help in international negotiations and industrial spying) and current/former military. So lots of people who would know who to call to make things happen. I have in mind for instance the Taiwan frigate scandal that has seen all sort of mysterious deaths, including Thiery Imbot (former DGSE, and son of former head of the DGSE), who died falling from a window in Paris. The official investigation blamed the wind which will make anyone who lived in Paris laugh. So, I don't know, but not implausible.
- rakoo 2y ago
  Oh you're right, I completely forgot their involvement in defense projects. Maybe something involving the level at which Boeing along wiah the US gov spied on Airbus to win contracts as well.
ClumsyPilot 2y ago
> I struggle to find what could be so sensitive that an assassination is ever an option. When Putin's regime punishes a critic or dissident, it is not done to stop this particular critic disclosing something sensitive. It is done as a warning to future critics. If you think this principle is never applied by western agencies, look at what happened to Julian Assange - after being prosecuted for 12 years the dude has lost it and Ecuador has kicked him out for smearing faeces on embassy walls. Additionally, western corporations were, multiple times, accused of being involved in assassinations of union leaders in developing countries. And they used to do it in the USA, in 1920's. https://prospect.org/features/coca-cola-killings/ https://prospect.org/features/coca-cola-killings/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/88n97g/3-union-leaders-were-shot-dead-and-colombia-says-an-american-company-financed-their-killers https://www.vice.com/en/article/88n97g/3-union-leaders-were-...
- rakoo 2y ago
  Yeah I have no doubt this serves as a message for future whistleblowers, but damn that is some level of prevention. > Additionally, western corporations were, multiple times, accused of being involved in assassinations of union leaders in developing countries. Unions are the kryptonite of capitalists and threaten their very existence, so it isn't that out of field; if we are to make the parallel, it means there is something in what they know that threatens the very existence of Boeing and I fail to imagine what
  - mulmen 2y ago
    > Yeah I have no doubt this serves as a message for future whistleblowers I hope not because that’s exactly the risk in entertaining baseless conspiracy theories. If whistleblowers are disincentivized by conspiracy theories then why does Boeing need to go to the trouble of actually pulling off a conspiracy?
sunshine_reggae 2y ago
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- thinkingtoilet 2y ago
  Prove it.
- rsanek 2y ago
  he, himself, did not -- a friend claims that he told her that in private
bogwog 2y ago
I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, but I do like crime thrillers so I'll add that one potential reason could be that one or more people at the company are worried about prison time for something they did. That kind of thing could lead someone to make desperate moves, like assassinating a whistleblower. Hell, it doesn't even need to be someone high up on the ladder, it could be one of the factory workers that worked on a plane that went down, and is panicking because he got bad legal advice from ChatGPT! ... but I'm like 99.9998% confident this is actually just a series of non-malicious, tragic coincidences rather than a conspiracy.
shepardrtc 2y ago
> I struggle to find what could be so sensitive that an assassination is ever an option It's a warning to future whistleblowers.
intunderflow 2y ago
The effect on the value of the company and the strategic effect of letting Airbus (a European company) dominate aerospace manufacturing is a pretty big threat
- psunavy03 2y ago
  And the (hypothetical) effect on the value of a company in the (hypothetical) event they are proven to assassinate critics is . . . what exactly?
  - barryrandall 2y ago
    In the long term? Not much. Dow is Boeing's future.
    - psunavy03 2y ago
      I'm sorry, your tinfoil hat is slipping.
  - user_7832 2y ago
    Are we talking about cases where someone at the company explicitly asked/ordered a kill, or including *wink* "handlings" of people? For example in 2012 the (EU) ECCHR said Nestle was responsible for the 2005 death of Luciano Romero in 2005. What about when in the case of the Banana Massacre you had Chiquita Banana making payments to the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia, who caused the deaths? Looking at Nestle's historic stock performance I see no (significant) change around 2005 or 2012. [0] - https://www.dw.com/en/nestle-under-fire-over-colombian-murder/a-16195009 https://www.dw.com/en/nestle-under-fire-over-colombian-murde...
    - Eji1700 2y ago
      While obviously horrific, there's a large difference between paying a bunch of paramilitary members of a country where out and out murder by government is already an issue, and murdering citizens using arcane secretive methods such as suicide by hanging and magic mrsa infection. If boeing is SO important to the government that justice doesn't matter, then it's probably a fuckload easier to bribe a judge or two and make sure the court cases never get anywhere than to orchestrate not one, but two, clandestine hits. Further, why the fuck would you do the hits now? In both cases the information was brought out YEARS ago, and already in court. It hardly matters if they're alive or dead at this point.

by rakoo 2y ago

colechristensen 2y ago

This is the commercial arm of Boeing, but not even that bit a spun off bit of Boeing that just builds airframes called Spirit. Boeing does do highly classified things in other branches of the company that have nothing to do with any of this, even then nobody would be assassinated for the most egregious espionage outside of some absurd movie plot scenario. Spies go to prison if they’re not recruited for counterintelligence. Influenza and MRSA would be very odd assassination tools.

cm2187 2y ago

Any other industry I would have called bullshit, but defense companies are always a bit murky, with close links to intelligence services (who help in international negotiations and industrial spying) and current/former military. So lots of people who would know who to call to make things happen. I have in mind for instance the Taiwan frigate scandal that has seen all sort of mysterious deaths, including Thiery Imbot (former DGSE, and son of former head of the DGSE), who died falling from a window in Paris. The official investigation blamed the wind which will make anyone who lived in Paris laugh. So, I don't know, but not implausible.

rakoo 2y ago
Oh you're right, I completely forgot their involvement in defense projects. Maybe something involving the level at which Boeing along wiah the US gov spied on Airbus to win contracts as well.

ClumsyPilot 2y ago

> I struggle to find what could be so sensitive that an assassination is ever an option. When Putin's regime punishes a critic or dissident, it is not done to stop this particular critic disclosing something sensitive. It is done as a warning to future critics. If you think this principle is never applied by western agencies, look at what happened to Julian Assange - after being prosecuted for 12 years the dude has lost it and Ecuador has kicked him out for smearing faeces on embassy walls. Additionally, western corporations were, multiple times, accused of being involved in assassinations of union leaders in developing countries. And they used to do it in the USA, in 1920's. https://prospect.org/features/coca-cola-killings/ https://prospect.org/features/coca-cola-killings/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/88n97g/3-union-leaders-were-shot-dead-and-colombia-says-an-american-company-financed-their-killers https://www.vice.com/en/article/88n97g/3-union-leaders-were-...

rakoo 2y ago
Yeah I have no doubt this serves as a message for future whistleblowers, but damn that is some level of prevention. > Additionally, western corporations were, multiple times, accused of being involved in assassinations of union leaders in developing countries. Unions are the kryptonite of capitalists and threaten their very existence, so it isn't that out of field; if we are to make the parallel, it means there is something in what they know that threatens the very existence of Boeing and I fail to imagine what
- mulmen 2y ago
  > Yeah I have no doubt this serves as a message for future whistleblowers I hope not because that’s exactly the risk in entertaining baseless conspiracy theories. If whistleblowers are disincentivized by conspiracy theories then why does Boeing need to go to the trouble of actually pulling off a conspiracy?

sunshine_reggae 2y ago

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thinkingtoilet 2y ago
Prove it.
rsanek 2y ago
he, himself, did not -- a friend claims that he told her that in private

bogwog 2y ago

I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, but I do like crime thrillers so I'll add that one potential reason could be that one or more people at the company are worried about prison time for something they did. That kind of thing could lead someone to make desperate moves, like assassinating a whistleblower. Hell, it doesn't even need to be someone high up on the ladder, it could be one of the factory workers that worked on a plane that went down, and is panicking because he got bad legal advice from ChatGPT! ... but I'm like 99.9998% confident this is actually just a series of non-malicious, tragic coincidences rather than a conspiracy.

shepardrtc 2y ago

> I struggle to find what could be so sensitive that an assassination is ever an option It's a warning to future whistleblowers.

intunderflow 2y ago

The effect on the value of the company and the strategic effect of letting Airbus (a European company) dominate aerospace manufacturing is a pretty big threat

psunavy03 2y ago
And the (hypothetical) effect on the value of a company in the (hypothetical) event they are proven to assassinate critics is . . . what exactly?
- barryrandall 2y ago
  In the long term? Not much. Dow is Boeing's future.
  - psunavy03 2y ago
    I'm sorry, your tinfoil hat is slipping.
- user_7832 2y ago
  Are we talking about cases where someone at the company explicitly asked/ordered a kill, or including *wink* "handlings" of people? For example in 2012 the (EU) ECCHR said Nestle was responsible for the 2005 death of Luciano Romero in 2005. What about when in the case of the Banana Massacre you had Chiquita Banana making payments to the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia, who caused the deaths? Looking at Nestle's historic stock performance I see no (significant) change around 2005 or 2012. [0] - https://www.dw.com/en/nestle-under-fire-over-colombian-murder/a-16195009 https://www.dw.com/en/nestle-under-fire-over-colombian-murde...
  - Eji1700 2y ago
    While obviously horrific, there's a large difference between paying a bunch of paramilitary members of a country where out and out murder by government is already an issue, and murdering citizens using arcane secretive methods such as suicide by hanging and magic mrsa infection. If boeing is SO important to the government that justice doesn't matter, then it's probably a fuckload easier to bribe a judge or two and make sure the court cases never get anywhere than to orchestrate not one, but two, clandestine hits. Further, why the fuck would you do the hits now? In both cases the information was brought out YEARS ago, and already in court. It hardly matters if they're alive or dead at this point.