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What we need is a return to idealistic projects again, to rebuild Web 1.5, by the fortunate among us who can afford it.

JohnFen 2y ago
I am aware of a number of efforts to replace not just the web, but most of the services on the internet, with private intranets to serve specific subgroups. The goal is to increase security, privacy, and to regain the useful things that the internet is increasingly unable to support well. I suspect that sort of thing will become increasing common.
- 7thaccount 2y ago
  Can you list some of them as I'm interested.
  - JohnFen 2y ago
    I can't, because none of them have a public point of presence on the internet. That's rather part of the point of doing it -- to keep the internet at arm's length. They're all, effectively, invite-only since they serve groups of people who are already known to each other. Some do this on a small scale, like operating a VPN and a series of services accessible over the VPN. Others on a larger scale, like running what amounts to a small ISP and communal servers. If you're into the idea, it isn't be that hard to get things going on the technical side, if you use the internet itself as your "dumb pipe communications channel". You just need some friends who are interested in joining you.
    - nickdothutton 2y ago
      I am doing something like this myself. SSH as the access method. Invite only. Quality not quantity. Member get member, so to speak. I can’t sit back and complain and then not do anything.
    - wuj 2y ago
      Aren't those needs already served by private groupchats on Twitter/Facebook, et al.?
      - mrmanner 2y ago
        ”The goal is to increase security, privacy (…)”
      - JohnFen 2y ago
        Not to these subgroups, no. They don't provide the benefits of security/privacy, are walled gardens, are considered by many to be problems, not solutions, and are services on the public internet. The whole point of these efforts is to avoid being on the public internet.

I am aware of a number of efforts to replace not just the web, but most of the services on the internet, with private intranets to serve specific subgroups. The goal is to increase security, privacy, and to regain the useful things that the internet is increasingly unable to support well. I suspect that sort of thing will become increasing common.

7thaccount 2y ago
Can you list some of them as I'm interested.
- JohnFen 2y ago
  I can't, because none of them have a public point of presence on the internet. That's rather part of the point of doing it -- to keep the internet at arm's length. They're all, effectively, invite-only since they serve groups of people who are already known to each other. Some do this on a small scale, like operating a VPN and a series of services accessible over the VPN. Others on a larger scale, like running what amounts to a small ISP and communal servers. If you're into the idea, it isn't be that hard to get things going on the technical side, if you use the internet itself as your "dumb pipe communications channel". You just need some friends who are interested in joining you.
  - nickdothutton 2y ago
    I am doing something like this myself. SSH as the access method. Invite only. Quality not quantity. Member get member, so to speak. I can’t sit back and complain and then not do anything.
  - wuj 2y ago
    Aren't those needs already served by private groupchats on Twitter/Facebook, et al.?
    - mrmanner 2y ago
      ”The goal is to increase security, privacy (…)”
    - JohnFen 2y ago
      Not to these subgroups, no. They don't provide the benefits of security/privacy, are walled gardens, are considered by many to be problems, not solutions, and are services on the public internet. The whole point of these efforts is to avoid being on the public internet.