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Cloud gaming + a monthly subscription is probably going to be the end result. Inwon't be suprised if the next xbox generation is a streaming stick + wireless co

by beAbU 3y ago

Cloud gaming + a monthly subscription is probably going to be the end result. Inwon't be suprised if the next xbox generation is a streaming stick + wireless controller. The writing is on the wall for me. A cheap streaming device + a modest games subscription will open the platform up to many who are currently held back by the cost of the console.

byteknight 3y ago
At the detriment of experience.
hollerith 3y ago
Hasn't that been tried by well-funded companies like Google starting over 10 years ago and failed?
- 0x457 3y ago
  Stadia was doomed to fail: - You have to buy all the games all over again - people, that are familiar with google ways, didn't want to invest anything into stadia - stadia controller, while nice, didn't want with anything, but stadia until recently (still doesn't work with ATV for some reason) - Google own devices didn't support Stadia for absolutely no reason (you could have side-loaded the app, and it worked just fine) xCloud always felt much better than Stadia when playing.
- gabrielhidasy 3y ago
  Didn't really fail, GeForce Now is still available and working well. Stadia was abandoned by Google but worked really well for the ones that had good internet and lived close enough to the data-centers. The bad part is needing to live close to a big, expensive, GPU-heavy data-center, but if mobile GPU's are getting that good, maybe in the near future we could have single servers or small racks serving a few dozen to a few hundred players, that would be much easier to co-locate, grow as needed, and improve latency.
- masterj 3y ago
  Yes, but sometimes ideas come ahead of the infrastructure that would enable them, in this case fiber rollouts and geographically distributed data centers with GPUs. I've been really impressed by GeForce Now lately and XBox Cloud Gaming is a thing.
- beAbU 3y ago
  Yes and? Does that mean it can never be tried again? If car makers gave up with EVs 30 years ago, and never tried improving, where would we be today? Because EVs are not the ICE replacement today, does that mean it won't be in 30 years' time? All I'm saying is that the natural outcome for gaming is cloud + subscription. Maybe not the next xbox console, but possibly the one after next. This was the inevitable outcome of music and video. Gaming is next. We are going to own nothing and we will love it.
  - salawat 3y ago
    Only if you build it. Stop building it, and get those you know to stop contributing to that nonsense, and suddenly it doesn't happen. That's collective action though. No one wants to do that.
nothercastle 3y ago
GeForce now works great when it works but they are under provisioned in capacity so there are times when their data center works really poorly. The biggest issues is probably long load times. A suspend state to drive function would be a big boost. Then it’s probably the oversold capacity. Then it would be only 80% compatibility with all titles.

by beAbU 3y ago

byteknight 3y ago

At the detriment of experience.

hollerith 3y ago

Hasn't that been tried by well-funded companies like Google starting over 10 years ago and failed?

0x457 3y ago
Stadia was doomed to fail: - You have to buy all the games all over again - people, that are familiar with google ways, didn't want to invest anything into stadia - stadia controller, while nice, didn't want with anything, but stadia until recently (still doesn't work with ATV for some reason) - Google own devices didn't support Stadia for absolutely no reason (you could have side-loaded the app, and it worked just fine) xCloud always felt much better than Stadia when playing.
gabrielhidasy 3y ago
Didn't really fail, GeForce Now is still available and working well. Stadia was abandoned by Google but worked really well for the ones that had good internet and lived close enough to the data-centers. The bad part is needing to live close to a big, expensive, GPU-heavy data-center, but if mobile GPU's are getting that good, maybe in the near future we could have single servers or small racks serving a few dozen to a few hundred players, that would be much easier to co-locate, grow as needed, and improve latency.
masterj 3y ago
Yes, but sometimes ideas come ahead of the infrastructure that would enable them, in this case fiber rollouts and geographically distributed data centers with GPUs. I've been really impressed by GeForce Now lately and XBox Cloud Gaming is a thing.
beAbU 3y ago
Yes and? Does that mean it can never be tried again? If car makers gave up with EVs 30 years ago, and never tried improving, where would we be today? Because EVs are not the ICE replacement today, does that mean it won't be in 30 years' time? All I'm saying is that the natural outcome for gaming is cloud + subscription. Maybe not the next xbox console, but possibly the one after next. This was the inevitable outcome of music and video. Gaming is next. We are going to own nothing and we will love it.
- salawat 3y ago
  Only if you build it. Stop building it, and get those you know to stop contributing to that nonsense, and suddenly it doesn't happen. That's collective action though. No one wants to do that.

nothercastle 3y ago

GeForce now works great when it works but they are under provisioned in capacity so there are times when their data center works really poorly. The biggest issues is probably long load times. A suspend state to drive function would be a big boost. Then it’s probably the oversold capacity. Then it would be only 80% compatibility with all titles.