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He's also obliterating Ukraine. So many reasons to keep grinning.

by sgt 3y ago

cies 3y ago
Not really obliterating. Gaza is being obliterated (civ casualties through the roof). The Ukraine conflict has very little civ death compared to the mil deaths. Compare that to the wars the US fought and you see the Russians are very careful. No bombs om population centers.
- sgt 3y ago
  There are many examples to the contrary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre In Israel, Gaza has higher casualties but you also have terrorists hiding among civilians, within hospitals, building tunnels with foreign aid, etc. It's regrettable, but it's also an extremely hard problem to solve. Hamas now has a fantastic (and generous, given what they did) deal on the table and hopefully they will be reasonable and take it.
  - cies 3y ago
    Bucha is contested. If is was a Ukrainian Gaza it would have looks VERY different. A Ukrainian Gaza would be bombing densely populated city centers: never happened. Only the Ukranians somtimes seem to be launching some mortars at trainstations and market areas. When the Russians destroy a hotel we usually see a lot of military was staying there. The west (including Israel and Ukraine) is rapidly losing what ever moral high-ground it had left.
    - sgt 3y ago
      Even if you successfully argue that the West is losing its moral high-ground, simply look at the alternatives. They are not great. Russia is deeply corrupt and undemocratic. And in Israel you have Hamas on the other side - they are literally genuine terrorists with little regard for western and democratic values. If they were in power of all of Israel, then what people call genocide in Gaza would seem trivial.
      - cies 3y ago
        Dunno if Russia is more corrupt than the US. AIPAC's lobbyism is straight-up corruption to me: they pay millions per year to politicians: how to call this if not corruption? Highly anti-democratic (money buys policy). And that's just one lobby group (albeit a big one). I think Israel created Hamas (as it created the PLO) and it made it a dangerous group by continuously hurting the Palestinians. Backlash was expected.
    - racional 3y ago
      Bucha is contested By Russian propaganda outlets, perhaps. But beyond that it's no more contested than other well-known atrocities such as My Lai, Guernica, Katyń, etc. A Ukrainian Gaza would be bombing densely populated city centers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_Days_in_Mariupol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_Days_in_Mariupol

He's also obliterating Ukraine. So many reasons to keep grinning.

by sgt 3y ago

He's also obliterating Ukraine. So many reasons to keep grinning.

cies 3y ago

Not really obliterating. Gaza is being obliterated (civ casualties through the roof). The Ukraine conflict has very little civ death compared to the mil deaths. Compare that to the wars the US fought and you see the Russians are very careful. No bombs om population centers.

sgt 3y ago
There are many examples to the contrary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre In Israel, Gaza has higher casualties but you also have terrorists hiding among civilians, within hospitals, building tunnels with foreign aid, etc. It's regrettable, but it's also an extremely hard problem to solve. Hamas now has a fantastic (and generous, given what they did) deal on the table and hopefully they will be reasonable and take it.
- cies 3y ago
  Bucha is contested. If is was a Ukrainian Gaza it would have looks VERY different. A Ukrainian Gaza would be bombing densely populated city centers: never happened. Only the Ukranians somtimes seem to be launching some mortars at trainstations and market areas. When the Russians destroy a hotel we usually see a lot of military was staying there. The west (including Israel and Ukraine) is rapidly losing what ever moral high-ground it had left.
  - sgt 3y ago
    Even if you successfully argue that the West is losing its moral high-ground, simply look at the alternatives. They are not great. Russia is deeply corrupt and undemocratic. And in Israel you have Hamas on the other side - they are literally genuine terrorists with little regard for western and democratic values. If they were in power of all of Israel, then what people call genocide in Gaza would seem trivial.
    - cies 3y ago
      Dunno if Russia is more corrupt than the US. AIPAC's lobbyism is straight-up corruption to me: they pay millions per year to politicians: how to call this if not corruption? Highly anti-democratic (money buys policy). And that's just one lobby group (albeit a big one). I think Israel created Hamas (as it created the PLO) and it made it a dangerous group by continuously hurting the Palestinians. Backlash was expected.
  - racional 3y ago
    Bucha is contested By Russian propaganda outlets, perhaps. But beyond that it's no more contested than other well-known atrocities such as My Lai, Guernica, Katyń, etc. A Ukrainian Gaza would be bombing densely populated city centers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_Days_in_Mariupol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_Days_in_Mariupol