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Musk just fired a complete business unit of 500 people (supercharger network), reportedly because the executive in charge didn't want to go along with layoff pe

Musk just fired a complete business unit of 500 people (supercharger network), reportedly because the executive in charge didn't want to go along with layoff percentages. So...

renegade-otter 2y ago
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- eru 2y ago
  > Only in America can this petulant, narcissistic man-child make it this far. What makes you think so? I don't think the US is that special. Japan has lots of 'office heroics'. And eg Hong Kong is very business friendly in terms of hiring and firing.
  - rchaud 2y ago
    But in Musk's case, doing the heroics won't save you from the pink slip. As one 'hardcore' Twitter loyalist found out, after months of sleeping in the office and criticizing other employees for not grinding hard enough. https://nypost.com/2023/02/27/esther-crawford-twitter-exec-who-slept-in-office-overnight-is-fired/ https://nypost.com/2023/02/27/esther-crawford-twitter-exec-w...
  - renegade-otter 2y ago
    The US is special due to the unique absence of a safety net, compared to all other developed countries. Not only will you have almost no income (unemployment benefits are a joke), but you can lose everything once you lose your health insurance and have an accident/illness. People work extra-hard in order to not be in that bottom 10% that is going to be cut. I cannot speak for Japan as I know very little about their workaholic culture, but it seems more performative - just toil in the office after hours to look productive.
    - eru 2y ago
      > The US is special due to the unique absence of a safety net, compared to all other developed countries. Not only will you have almost no income (unemployment benefits are a joke), [...] My adopted home of Singapore is a lot more developed than the US, and we don't even have unemployment benefits. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_social_welfare_spending https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_social_we... tells me that in 2019 the US spent 18.7% of GDP on social welfare. That's behind the UK at 20.6%, and ahead of the Netherlands at 16.7% of GDP. I don't know what the US is spending those 18.7% of GDP on, but I find it strange to believe that there would be no safety net at all given the huge level of spending. (Also keep in mind that GDP per capita is higher in the US than in the UK or the Netherlands. France tops Wikipedia's list with 31.2% of GDP spent on social welfare. Given French GDP per capita of ~40k USD that adds up to ~12k USD per person per year. For the US we get ~76k USD * 18.7% = ~14k USD. That's more than the French spent.) Yet again, I suspect you think the US is more special than it actually is. (Though the US might be unique in having the highest absolute social welfare spending per capita. Not sure. I guess some of the petro states of the Middle East or perhaps Luxembourg might give God's Own Country a run for her money there?)
consumer451 2y ago
Here is a video from a YouTuber who has been historically very pro-Tesla, and very pro-Supercharger.[0] He has a lot contacts in the wider charging industry. He is simply stunned by the firing of the entire team. Everybody in the entire charging industry is just getting bounces when trying to email their contacts about the hundreds of contracted Supercharger installations in the works. Think about all the external contractors working on maintenance of existing stations, also no way to contact Tesla. Here is an article claiming that Tesla may be looking to rehire some of the fired team. [1] Firing the exec who won't listen to the CEO? Sure, that's business. Firing the entire team as some kind of punishment? That's cutting off your nose to spite your face. [0] https://youtu.be/iVaViiX0xZY https://youtu.be/iVaViiX0xZY [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-may-rehire-some-laid-off-supercharger-staff-report-2024-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-may-rehire-some-laid-o...

Musk just fired a complete business unit of 500 people (supercharger network), reportedly because the executive in charge didn't want to go along with layoff percentages. So...

renegade-otter 2y ago

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eru 2y ago
> Only in America can this petulant, narcissistic man-child make it this far. What makes you think so? I don't think the US is that special. Japan has lots of 'office heroics'. And eg Hong Kong is very business friendly in terms of hiring and firing.
- rchaud 2y ago
  But in Musk's case, doing the heroics won't save you from the pink slip. As one 'hardcore' Twitter loyalist found out, after months of sleeping in the office and criticizing other employees for not grinding hard enough. https://nypost.com/2023/02/27/esther-crawford-twitter-exec-who-slept-in-office-overnight-is-fired/ https://nypost.com/2023/02/27/esther-crawford-twitter-exec-w...
- renegade-otter 2y ago
  The US is special due to the unique absence of a safety net, compared to all other developed countries. Not only will you have almost no income (unemployment benefits are a joke), but you can lose everything once you lose your health insurance and have an accident/illness. People work extra-hard in order to not be in that bottom 10% that is going to be cut. I cannot speak for Japan as I know very little about their workaholic culture, but it seems more performative - just toil in the office after hours to look productive.
  - eru 2y ago
    > The US is special due to the unique absence of a safety net, compared to all other developed countries. Not only will you have almost no income (unemployment benefits are a joke), [...] My adopted home of Singapore is a lot more developed than the US, and we don't even have unemployment benefits. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_social_welfare_spending https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_social_we... tells me that in 2019 the US spent 18.7% of GDP on social welfare. That's behind the UK at 20.6%, and ahead of the Netherlands at 16.7% of GDP. I don't know what the US is spending those 18.7% of GDP on, but I find it strange to believe that there would be no safety net at all given the huge level of spending. (Also keep in mind that GDP per capita is higher in the US than in the UK or the Netherlands. France tops Wikipedia's list with 31.2% of GDP spent on social welfare. Given French GDP per capita of ~40k USD that adds up to ~12k USD per person per year. For the US we get ~76k USD * 18.7% = ~14k USD. That's more than the French spent.) Yet again, I suspect you think the US is more special than it actually is. (Though the US might be unique in having the highest absolute social welfare spending per capita. Not sure. I guess some of the petro states of the Middle East or perhaps Luxembourg might give God's Own Country a run for her money there?)

consumer451 2y ago

Here is a video from a YouTuber who has been historically very pro-Tesla, and very pro-Supercharger.[0] He has a lot contacts in the wider charging industry. He is simply stunned by the firing of the entire team. Everybody in the entire charging industry is just getting bounces when trying to email their contacts about the hundreds of contracted Supercharger installations in the works. Think about all the external contractors working on maintenance of existing stations, also no way to contact Tesla. Here is an article claiming that Tesla may be looking to rehire some of the fired team. [1] Firing the exec who won't listen to the CEO? Sure, that's business. Firing the entire team as some kind of punishment? That's cutting off your nose to spite your face. [0] https://youtu.be/iVaViiX0xZY https://youtu.be/iVaViiX0xZY [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-may-rehire-some-laid-off-supercharger-staff-report-2024-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-may-rehire-some-laid-o...