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Tesla no longer effectively donating EV charging infrastructure to competitors. Except even that isn't true, they still are sharing their EV charging infrastru

Tesla no longer effectively donating EV charging infrastructure to competitors. Except even that isn't true, they still are sharing their EV charging infrastructure with all competitors and are still building it out just at a slower pace with more focus on charger uptime. And a pace which is still faster than all other US EV competitors.

peutetre 2y ago
> Tesla no longer effectively donating EV charging infrastructure to competitors. They weren't donating anything to anyone. EV drivers pay money for the kilowatt hours they use at Tesla's chargers. Tesla has been doing exactly this in Europe for a long time. All brands of EV charging networks should charge all brands of EV. No mess, no fuss. I can fuel my ICE car at any fuel station and I should also be able to charge my EV at any charging station. That's just a common sense infrastructure outcome. Europe achieved it. One day North America will too.
- gnicholas 2y ago
  Does Tesla charge different rates to non-Tesla owners? Previously they could structure their pricing in a way that made it advantageous to buy a Tesla, but if they are now required (perhaps by regulation or agreement) to charge all vehicle owners the same rate, that means that keeping their rates low helps all EV owners, instead of just Tesla owners. It's not surprising they aren't investing as much under these circumstances.
  - peutetre 2y ago
    > Does Tesla charge different rates to non-Tesla owners? Yes.
- aeternum 2y ago
  They were and still are effectively donating capital. It take quite awhile to make a return on EV charging investment especially since EVs are relatively rare and EV charging tech is relatively new and requires a lot of maintenance to keep running (primarily consistent internet connectivity is a challenge). Capital is expensive right now and it's almost certain that Tesla is not making a profit on EV charging, thus "donating" since a good EV charging network is necessary for EV adoption.
  - peutetre 2y ago
    By that logic all businesses are "making a donation". It's an absurd claim. The Cybertruck charges faster on Electrify America that it does on Tesla's own chargers: https://twitter.com/itskyleconner/status/1775014705222070331 https://twitter.com/itskyleconner/status/1775014705222070331 https://teslanorth.com/2024/04/02/tesla-cybertruck-charging-hits-330kw-at-electrify-america/ https://teslanorth.com/2024/04/02/tesla-cybertruck-charging-... So Electrify America must be "making a donation" to Tesla, right?
svet_0 2y ago
Please don't disturb the FUD with facts.

peutetre 2y ago

> Tesla no longer effectively donating EV charging infrastructure to competitors. They weren't donating anything to anyone. EV drivers pay money for the kilowatt hours they use at Tesla's chargers. Tesla has been doing exactly this in Europe for a long time. All brands of EV charging networks should charge all brands of EV. No mess, no fuss. I can fuel my ICE car at any fuel station and I should also be able to charge my EV at any charging station. That's just a common sense infrastructure outcome. Europe achieved it. One day North America will too.

gnicholas 2y ago
Does Tesla charge different rates to non-Tesla owners? Previously they could structure their pricing in a way that made it advantageous to buy a Tesla, but if they are now required (perhaps by regulation or agreement) to charge all vehicle owners the same rate, that means that keeping their rates low helps all EV owners, instead of just Tesla owners. It's not surprising they aren't investing as much under these circumstances.
- peutetre 2y ago
  > Does Tesla charge different rates to non-Tesla owners? Yes.
aeternum 2y ago
They were and still are effectively donating capital. It take quite awhile to make a return on EV charging investment especially since EVs are relatively rare and EV charging tech is relatively new and requires a lot of maintenance to keep running (primarily consistent internet connectivity is a challenge). Capital is expensive right now and it's almost certain that Tesla is not making a profit on EV charging, thus "donating" since a good EV charging network is necessary for EV adoption.
- peutetre 2y ago
  By that logic all businesses are "making a donation". It's an absurd claim. The Cybertruck charges faster on Electrify America that it does on Tesla's own chargers: https://twitter.com/itskyleconner/status/1775014705222070331 https://twitter.com/itskyleconner/status/1775014705222070331 https://teslanorth.com/2024/04/02/tesla-cybertruck-charging-hits-330kw-at-electrify-america/ https://teslanorth.com/2024/04/02/tesla-cybertruck-charging-... So Electrify America must be "making a donation" to Tesla, right?

svet_0 2y ago

Please don't disturb the FUD with facts.