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> In california prop 13 was created for older people, Technically, it was created for people who owned homes (and other real estate) at the time the law was pa

> In california prop 13 was created for older people, Technically, it was created for people who owned homes (and other real estate) at the time the law was passed, and their heirs. The longer you have owned a property, the more of a tax break you get at the expense of a person who bought property more recently. Basically, it created a society where long term land owners and their heirs have even more of a step up than newer or prospective land owners. And the longer you own property in CA, the more incentive you have to support prop 13. Quite an innovative way of creating a class divide.

SR2Z 3y ago
IDK about you, but to me rewarding long-term landholders is basically feudalism and doesn't count as "innovative." It's the same shit we've had for thousands of years, but because it's CA, they have to PRETEND it's progressive.
- hedora 3y ago
  No one pretends it is progressive. Prop 13 and the group that supports it are from 1978, which is before the progressive moment was really a thing. The supporters are explicitly non-partisan: https://www.hjta.org/about-hjta/paccommittees/ https://www.hjta.org/about-hjta/paccommittees/ The main issue is that while they were setting this up, they also arranged for a 66% voter threshold for renewing things like school funding. Most districts around here are only 60-66% progressive, which means the schools are chronically underfunded (funding is 47th in the nation, despite California being one of the richest states).
- SilasX 3y ago
  Yes! There was even a Supreme Court case where a justice called out its feudal character. See my earlier comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13477220 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13477220
- vaguba 3y ago
  california was part of the so-called "red wall" back from the 1960s-1990s that was a solid GOP wall on the west coast, from washington to california.
- ttymck 3y ago
  Who is "they"?

SR2Z 3y ago

IDK about you, but to me rewarding long-term landholders is basically feudalism and doesn't count as "innovative." It's the same shit we've had for thousands of years, but because it's CA, they have to PRETEND it's progressive.

hedora 3y ago
No one pretends it is progressive. Prop 13 and the group that supports it are from 1978, which is before the progressive moment was really a thing. The supporters are explicitly non-partisan: https://www.hjta.org/about-hjta/paccommittees/ https://www.hjta.org/about-hjta/paccommittees/ The main issue is that while they were setting this up, they also arranged for a 66% voter threshold for renewing things like school funding. Most districts around here are only 60-66% progressive, which means the schools are chronically underfunded (funding is 47th in the nation, despite California being one of the richest states).
SilasX 3y ago
Yes! There was even a Supreme Court case where a justice called out its feudal character. See my earlier comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13477220 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13477220
vaguba 3y ago
california was part of the so-called "red wall" back from the 1960s-1990s that was a solid GOP wall on the west coast, from washington to california.
ttymck 3y ago
Who is "they"?