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> However, it's important to note that Redmond includes all security fixes in a single update. Hence, removing cumulative updates removes all fixes for patched

> However, it's important to note that Redmond includes all security fixes in a single update. Hence, removing cumulative updates removes all fixes for patched security vulnerabilities in addition to resolving VPN issues. Maybe they should stop bundling said fixes all in one update. This was not practiced so extensively in older vers of windows, and i always get the impression this system was switched to, as part of win10's push to exert more control over updates on end user computers.

justsomehnguy 2y ago
> This was not practiced so extensively in older vers of windows Yes, and the result was a billions of billions of combinations of those updates. While the current system is far from being ideal, it's way easier to test with a reduced set of permutations. And before you object, think of it this way - if the current shitshow is with a reduced set, imagine what it would be with a non reduced one. It wouldn't be a shitshow x 2 or shitshow^2, it would be around shitshow^99999.
- datenyan 2y ago
  > Yes, and the result was a billions of billions of combinations of those updates. I was recently talking to a colleague about this, and it was remarkable to me how "quickly" they had forgotten the hell of having Windows Update filled with 1 billion 10kb updates.
  - LightHugger 2y ago
    Worked great though, w7 was the best, most stable version of windows and it worked this way
  - wtallis 2y ago
    A billion tiny updates seems to work reasonably well for most major Linux distros.
    - phatfish 2y ago
      Indeed, dnf (and other tools as reliable) are impressive. Never had an issue running a "sudo dnf update" even on a desktop with a decent amount of packages. Once i had to fix a conflict during a Fedora version update. Apart from that it has been rock solid. Windows 2019 cumulative updates are not bad, but 2016 is cursed. Be ready to put aside at least 90 mins for older 2016 installs, and cross your fingers it doesn't fail.
    - justsomehnguy 2y ago
      "Major linux distros" are mostly running on the servers in the headless mode, with most of the updates never even bothering the end-users. "Major Windows distro" has video, sound, peripheral, network drivers; user software which is not a part of the operating system updates, VisualC redistributables, .NET version and it runs on anything from $100 10 years old system which is not even officially supported[0] to the latest $$$$ laptops, which still has shitty drivers because anyone capable of writing a good driver is not working in Intel or Broadcom, or retired for 10 years already. Comparing Linux and Windows update models is... quite a futile endeavour, they are different. [0] but billg is still blamed for the BSODs despite that
      - xcv123 2y ago
        Linux runs on everything from a toaster to a supercomputer. No excuses.
        Vox_Leone 2y ago
        Three cheers for Puppy Linux!
- hobs 2y ago
  How about they unfire all their QA people and then I will give their arguments a scintilla of value?

justsomehnguy 2y ago

> This was not practiced so extensively in older vers of windows Yes, and the result was a billions of billions of combinations of those updates. While the current system is far from being ideal, it's way easier to test with a reduced set of permutations. And before you object, think of it this way - if the current shitshow is with a reduced set, imagine what it would be with a non reduced one. It wouldn't be a shitshow x 2 or shitshow^2, it would be around shitshow^99999.

datenyan 2y ago
> Yes, and the result was a billions of billions of combinations of those updates. I was recently talking to a colleague about this, and it was remarkable to me how "quickly" they had forgotten the hell of having Windows Update filled with 1 billion 10kb updates.
- LightHugger 2y ago
  Worked great though, w7 was the best, most stable version of windows and it worked this way
- wtallis 2y ago
  A billion tiny updates seems to work reasonably well for most major Linux distros.
  - phatfish 2y ago
    Indeed, dnf (and other tools as reliable) are impressive. Never had an issue running a "sudo dnf update" even on a desktop with a decent amount of packages. Once i had to fix a conflict during a Fedora version update. Apart from that it has been rock solid. Windows 2019 cumulative updates are not bad, but 2016 is cursed. Be ready to put aside at least 90 mins for older 2016 installs, and cross your fingers it doesn't fail.
  - justsomehnguy 2y ago
    "Major linux distros" are mostly running on the servers in the headless mode, with most of the updates never even bothering the end-users. "Major Windows distro" has video, sound, peripheral, network drivers; user software which is not a part of the operating system updates, VisualC redistributables, .NET version and it runs on anything from $100 10 years old system which is not even officially supported[0] to the latest $$$$ laptops, which still has shitty drivers because anyone capable of writing a good driver is not working in Intel or Broadcom, or retired for 10 years already. Comparing Linux and Windows update models is... quite a futile endeavour, they are different. [0] but billg is still blamed for the BSODs despite that
    - xcv123 2y ago
      Linux runs on everything from a toaster to a supercomputer. No excuses.
      - Vox_Leone 2y ago
        Three cheers for Puppy Linux!
hobs 2y ago
How about they unfire all their QA people and then I will give their arguments a scintilla of value?