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Show me an open source O365 equivalent that scales to the 10,000 seats in my org. I agree with your second point. I'm in the UK and have advocated this positio

by cjk2 2y ago

Show me an open source O365 equivalent that scales to the 10,000 seats in my org. I agree with your second point. I'm in the UK and have advocated this position for years. We have so much government infra here, considering NHS etc, that it would be cost effective to dedicate people to a "national standard computing" infrastructure. But it doesn't exist. Yet.

pdonis 2y ago
> Show me an open source O365 equivalent that scales to the 10,000 seats in my org. I am forced to use O365 every day in my work. It's a piece of crap. The LibreOffice equivalents that I have on my personal Linux machines are better for everyday office applications. As for server side, even if we leave aside all the times I see supposedly reliable MS infrastructure break when I'm trying to do an everyday task, a quick Google search will show you plenty of equivalents, and as for "scaling", the government, or any large organization, could get better value for money paying someone to engineer whatever customizations are necessary in the open source alternatives--which it could then deploy for free on as many servers as it wanted--than from MS's licensing model.
- cjk2 2y ago
  I suspect you don't actually use O365. There's a lot of collaboration stuff in there which is pretty much unbeatable. I mean I'd rather use LaTeX and a VCS for some of the stuff I do but quite frankly that's just too hard for a lot of people. Also a lot of assumptions about the ROI there and the availability of any engineers who can customise it.
  - pdonis 2y ago
    > I suspect you don't actually use O365. You suspect wrongly. > There's a lot of collaboration stuff in there which is pretty much unbeatable. Evidently you and I have had very different experiences.
trelane 2y ago
https://www.collaboraoffice.com/collabora-online/ https://www.collaboraoffice.com/collabora-online/ You're welcome.
- cjk2 2y ago
  Now how do I collaborate with the people in the other 3 orgs I work with who use O365?
  - trelane 2y ago
    > It's not really about open source versus priority, it's about open source quality, which quite frankly isn't there. ... > Show me an open source O365 equivalent that scales to the 10,000 seats in my org. ... > Now how do I collaborate with the people in the other 3 orgs I work with who use O365? I hope you used an excavator, moving those goalposts.
    - cjk2 2y ago
      Not really. The reason those orgs use O365 is that there isn't a better option with the same ROI and staffing requirements. It because a defacto standard because no one offered anything better. (I will add I despise it to the core, but I know why people use it)
      - trelane 2y ago
        > The reason those orgs use O365 is that there isn't a better option with the same ROI and staffing requirements. It because a defacto standard because no one offered anything better. As you pointed out once the goal posts shifted, the reason they use Microsoft is because Microsoft is notoriously incompatible with anyone but Microsoft, but also ubiquitous.
peteradio 2y ago
O365 is a bloated piece of shit, I don't want an equivalent.

by cjk2 2y ago

pdonis 2y ago

> Show me an open source O365 equivalent that scales to the 10,000 seats in my org. I am forced to use O365 every day in my work. It's a piece of crap. The LibreOffice equivalents that I have on my personal Linux machines are better for everyday office applications. As for server side, even if we leave aside all the times I see supposedly reliable MS infrastructure break when I'm trying to do an everyday task, a quick Google search will show you plenty of equivalents, and as for "scaling", the government, or any large organization, could get better value for money paying someone to engineer whatever customizations are necessary in the open source alternatives--which it could then deploy for free on as many servers as it wanted--than from MS's licensing model.

cjk2 2y ago
I suspect you don't actually use O365. There's a lot of collaboration stuff in there which is pretty much unbeatable. I mean I'd rather use LaTeX and a VCS for some of the stuff I do but quite frankly that's just too hard for a lot of people. Also a lot of assumptions about the ROI there and the availability of any engineers who can customise it.
- pdonis 2y ago
  > I suspect you don't actually use O365. You suspect wrongly. > There's a lot of collaboration stuff in there which is pretty much unbeatable. Evidently you and I have had very different experiences.

trelane 2y ago

https://www.collaboraoffice.com/collabora-online/ https://www.collaboraoffice.com/collabora-online/ You're welcome.

cjk2 2y ago
Now how do I collaborate with the people in the other 3 orgs I work with who use O365?
- trelane 2y ago
  > It's not really about open source versus priority, it's about open source quality, which quite frankly isn't there. ... > Show me an open source O365 equivalent that scales to the 10,000 seats in my org. ... > Now how do I collaborate with the people in the other 3 orgs I work with who use O365? I hope you used an excavator, moving those goalposts.
  - cjk2 2y ago
    Not really. The reason those orgs use O365 is that there isn't a better option with the same ROI and staffing requirements. It because a defacto standard because no one offered anything better. (I will add I despise it to the core, but I know why people use it)
    - trelane 2y ago
      > The reason those orgs use O365 is that there isn't a better option with the same ROI and staffing requirements. It because a defacto standard because no one offered anything better. As you pointed out once the goal posts shifted, the reason they use Microsoft is because Microsoft is notoriously incompatible with anyone but Microsoft, but also ubiquitous.

peteradio 2y ago

O365 is a bloated piece of shit, I don't want an equivalent.