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Something something Snap. Something something Mir. Something something Upstart. ... it's just Shuttleworth's latest fancy, I expect.
by Quekid5 2y ago
Something something Snap. Something something Mir. Something something Upstart.
... it's just Shuttleworth's latest fancy, I expect.
- foul 2y agoAlbeit NIH and Silicon Valley behaviour, I like how Canonical however ships things coming from their R&D and M&A. Probably most of the Linux userspace is mantained jointly by IBM and Microsoft nowadays, it's not bad to hear outsider work.
- cycomanic 2y agoI am always amazed how the red hat crowd managed to change the narrative around Ubuntu always starting their own thing instead of using something established. Reality is that both snap (2014) and upstart (2006) came before flatpak (2015) and systemd (2010). Now there might be valid reason why the later options are superior, however accusing Ubuntu to just do something different out of "fancy" seems quite unfair. They did develop a solution for things theat where widely regarded as problems (as evidenced by others later doing the same thing), where they failed (and there are multiple reasons IMO) is getting their solutions adopted by the wider community.
- popey 2y agoRHEL even shipped upstart before systemd was a thing.
- Quekid5 2y agoI feel obligated to mention that I run Arch and have done for a long time :). About the upstart thing... even the creator of Upstart acknowledged that systemd's design is more sound -- on Canonical's bug tracker no less -- and kudos to him for doing that. TL;DR: Upstart was essentially callback hell in a different form. ... but to GP: my point wasn't really about when projects were started per se, but they should have been ended much sooner than they were. I absolutely support innovation around the platform, but maybe we shouldn't be too stubborn.