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I'm not going to argue the statistics because obviously I don't have all the data, but I do have to wonder how much (if any) attribution goes to people giving u

I'm not going to argue the statistics because obviously I don't have all the data, but I do have to wonder how much (if any) attribution goes to people giving up on the police? "Why bother, they won't do anything" has become a rather common phrase I've heard a lot in the past few years, from family to random retail workers, but I'm unsure if that sentiment is growing or not. * Adding due to replies, what I thought may be obvious - the phrase above is never referring to murders, usually property crimes.

MisterBastahrd 3y ago
Sure, that makes more sense than the fact that most people who are at the age where one would normally conduct criminal mischief are now glued to their phones. Murder and violent crimes are both dropping year over year, too. Not sure how you wave away murder rates because people have given up on police.
- downrightmike 3y ago
  Its not because they are glued to their phones, its because those kids that parents didn't want to have, weren't had and didn't become latchkey kids and then criminals. https://freakonomics.com/podcast/abortion-and-crime-revisited/ https://freakonomics.com/podcast/abortion-and-crime-revisite...
  - roywiggins 3y ago
    Well, maybe. https://journalistsresource.org/economics/abortion-crime-research-donohue-levitt/ https://journalistsresource.org/economics/abortion-crime-res...
  - MisterBastahrd 3y ago
    We're not talking about historical crime rates. We're talking about recent ones. Yes, crime rates became lower than women stopped having unwanted children, but that has nothing to do with the recent decrease in violent crimes.
    - downrightmike 3y ago
      Which once past, and measured is history... the trends continue
WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
> I do have to wonder how much (if any) attribution goes to people giving up on the police? If so, they've been giving up on the police for at least 2 decades. Violent crime has been falling since early 90s https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/ Property crime has been falling since early 90s https://www.deepsentinel.com/blogs/home-security/residential-property-crime-in-the-united-states/
roywiggins 3y ago
Murders, at least, tend to be reported regardless of people's confidence that the police will solve the case.
- hmm37 3y ago
  But there's a huge difference between murder and petty crime. Just because murders decrease because e.g. less lead in the environment, doesn't necessarily mean that petty crime also decreased. This doesn't pass the necessary/sufficient test.
  - roywiggins 3y ago
    Murders are down 13% year over year, that's probably not a lead-reduction effect.
    - hmm37 3y ago
      The point is, motivations to murder versus petty crime are way different. Just because murders are down, I don't think it's necessary that petty crime is also down.
- RhysU 3y ago
  True! That could be chalked up (yuk yuk) to needing to otherwise dispose of a dead body.
thinkingtoilet 3y ago
My friend got robbed in NYC. The only reason he called the police was to get a police report for insurance reasons. They came 8 hours after he called. Obviously they're not going to do anything about it. If it wasn't needed for insurance, there would be absolutely no reason to call them.
supergeek133 3y ago
That's the interesting bit for me. I DO believe people are calling the police less for crime, even violent crime. However, how do you have an official source of "I decided not to call the cops".
- persolb 3y ago
  A coworker of mine was punched on NYCT. Went to the cop in the station, who did nothing, and was sore for a week. This is a case where it was ‘reported’, but the cop said they couldn’t do anything if he wasn’t seriously hurt. My other NY coworkers have similar stories of other people they know. Maybe random minor violence is up, but major violence is down… but the number of people I’ve heard of getting assaulted has definitely increased since COVID. The number of ‘we can’t do anything’ stories I’ve heard have skyrocketed. If anything pre-Covid cops were to quick to go after people. I got jumped after high school by kids I didn’t know and just got a black eye; the cops went and roughed up the gang of guys based purely on me saying ‘that’s them’ as we drove past.
  - bathtub365 3y ago
    Is the expectation that police should assault people at the direction of individuals?
hotdogscout 3y ago
>"Why bother, they won't do anything" has become a rather common phrase I've heard a lot in the past few years, from family to random retail workers, but I'm unsure if that sentiment is growing or not. What kind of crime are people so commonly being victims of around you?
- silisili 3y ago
  Edited original comment, but each of the instances I was thinking of was related to theft, whether personal or shoplifting.
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- creer 3y ago
  assaults
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booleandilemma 3y ago
I reported a theft of a high value item to the police once. I went to the their office, gave details of what happened, and I never heard back from them. I won't bother making another report. The NYPD struggles to find subway shooters*, investigating a theft is probably something beyond their abilities. * https://abcnews.go.com/US/nyc-police-search-gunman-brooklyn-subway-shooting/story?id=84051890 https://abcnews.go.com/US/nyc-police-search-gunman-brooklyn-...

MisterBastahrd 3y ago

Sure, that makes more sense than the fact that most people who are at the age where one would normally conduct criminal mischief are now glued to their phones. Murder and violent crimes are both dropping year over year, too. Not sure how you wave away murder rates because people have given up on police.

downrightmike 3y ago
Its not because they are glued to their phones, its because those kids that parents didn't want to have, weren't had and didn't become latchkey kids and then criminals. https://freakonomics.com/podcast/abortion-and-crime-revisited/ https://freakonomics.com/podcast/abortion-and-crime-revisite...
- roywiggins 3y ago
  Well, maybe. https://journalistsresource.org/economics/abortion-crime-research-donohue-levitt/ https://journalistsresource.org/economics/abortion-crime-res...
- MisterBastahrd 3y ago
  We're not talking about historical crime rates. We're talking about recent ones. Yes, crime rates became lower than women stopped having unwanted children, but that has nothing to do with the recent decrease in violent crimes.
  - downrightmike 3y ago
    Which once past, and measured is history... the trends continue

WarOnPrivacy 3y ago

> I do have to wonder how much (if any) attribution goes to people giving up on the police? If so, they've been giving up on the police for at least 2 decades. Violent crime has been falling since early 90s https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/ Property crime has been falling since early 90s https://www.deepsentinel.com/blogs/home-security/residential-property-crime-in-the-united-states/

roywiggins 3y ago

Murders, at least, tend to be reported regardless of people's confidence that the police will solve the case.

hmm37 3y ago
But there's a huge difference between murder and petty crime. Just because murders decrease because e.g. less lead in the environment, doesn't necessarily mean that petty crime also decreased. This doesn't pass the necessary/sufficient test.
- roywiggins 3y ago
  Murders are down 13% year over year, that's probably not a lead-reduction effect.
  - hmm37 3y ago
    The point is, motivations to murder versus petty crime are way different. Just because murders are down, I don't think it's necessary that petty crime is also down.
RhysU 3y ago
True! That could be chalked up (yuk yuk) to needing to otherwise dispose of a dead body.

thinkingtoilet 3y ago

My friend got robbed in NYC. The only reason he called the police was to get a police report for insurance reasons. They came 8 hours after he called. Obviously they're not going to do anything about it. If it wasn't needed for insurance, there would be absolutely no reason to call them.

supergeek133 3y ago

That's the interesting bit for me. I DO believe people are calling the police less for crime, even violent crime. However, how do you have an official source of "I decided not to call the cops".

persolb 3y ago
A coworker of mine was punched on NYCT. Went to the cop in the station, who did nothing, and was sore for a week. This is a case where it was ‘reported’, but the cop said they couldn’t do anything if he wasn’t seriously hurt. My other NY coworkers have similar stories of other people they know. Maybe random minor violence is up, but major violence is down… but the number of people I’ve heard of getting assaulted has definitely increased since COVID. The number of ‘we can’t do anything’ stories I’ve heard have skyrocketed. If anything pre-Covid cops were to quick to go after people. I got jumped after high school by kids I didn’t know and just got a black eye; the cops went and roughed up the gang of guys based purely on me saying ‘that’s them’ as we drove past.
- bathtub365 3y ago
  Is the expectation that police should assault people at the direction of individuals?

hotdogscout 3y ago

>"Why bother, they won't do anything" has become a rather common phrase I've heard a lot in the past few years, from family to random retail workers, but I'm unsure if that sentiment is growing or not. What kind of crime are people so commonly being victims of around you?

silisili 3y ago
Edited original comment, but each of the instances I was thinking of was related to theft, whether personal or shoplifting.
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creer 3y ago
assaults

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booleandilemma 3y ago

I reported a theft of a high value item to the police once. I went to the their office, gave details of what happened, and I never heard back from them. I won't bother making another report. The NYPD struggles to find subway shooters*, investigating a theft is probably something beyond their abilities. * https://abcnews.go.com/US/nyc-police-search-gunman-brooklyn-subway-shooting/story?id=84051890 https://abcnews.go.com/US/nyc-police-search-gunman-brooklyn-...