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The only violence I've seen was committed by police. Besides, these universities have single-digit acceptance rates. They could lose half their applicants and s

by tootie 3y ago

The only violence I've seen was committed by police. Besides, these universities have single-digit acceptance rates. They could lose half their applicants and still fill their seats no problem.

wonderwonder 3y ago
Then you have not looked, tons of violence against jews taking place on columbia and UCLA. Not to mention vandalism and denying access to public areas to other paying students
- phone8675309 3y ago
  This has slipped my notice as well - can you link to some of the incidents?
- josefresco 3y ago
  I've looked plenty mainly on Twitter/X and the only violence I've seen is by the police and today there were videos of "counter protestors" (1) attacking an encampment at UCLA. Please share links that back your claims. 1: Examples of "counter protest attack" https://twitter.com/TeresaWatanabe/status/1785575610469007471 https://twitter.com/TeresaWatanabe/status/178557561046900747... https://twitter.com/caitiedelaney/status/1785562553025765774 https://twitter.com/caitiedelaney/status/1785562553025765774 https://twitter.com/AssalRad/status/1785562525888917938 https://twitter.com/AssalRad/status/1785562525888917938
- tootie 3y ago
  You're wrong. There have not been serious attacks on any jews. There have been a handful of scuffles between counterprotestors, but nobody is being targeted. As someone who is at least ethnically jewish, I am entirely convinced that antisemitism is a red herring. There are far more jews amongst the protestors then there are victims of anything.
  - nsguy 3y ago
    As someone else who is ethnically Jewish I feel there is definitely an element of antisemitism in these protests. Antisemitism isn't limited to physical attacks on Jewish people (which have been on the rise and are definitely correlated to the overall atmosphere). What do you think antisemitism is and do you really feel 100% of the protests and the protesters clearly hold no antisemitic views? I would say antisemitic views are rampant in many middle eastern communities and some subsection of the protesters and their stated views reflect that. Either way, Jewish people feel threatened (including myself).
    - tootie 3y ago
      I'm sure some people involved harbor antisemitic feelings. Lots of people do. If you feel threatened, I certainly can't tell you how to feel. But like 30,000 Gazans have been killed and the number of people killed by ivy league protests is resting comfortably at zero. So, I think one of these things is urgent and one just isn't.
      - nsguy 3y ago
        The intensity of the war in Gaza has declined. There is no real urgency. There is also no real solution the protesters are presenting about how we can get a ceasefire (which requires two sides to cease their fire), get the hostage situation resolved, and get Hamas ousted in Gaza. With Hamas officials stance of committing Oct 7th attacks over and over again I'm not sure where the protesters actually stand. Seemingly on the side of supporting violence against Israeli civilians while voicing concern for Palestinian civilians. Let's say the protesters get their way and their university "divests" from Israel. This is not going to help Palestinian civilians in any way. There's even a chance it results in more Palestinian suffering and death. The protesters aren't looking for a solution, they're looking to punish Israeli civilians for the war Israel started in Gaza after being attacked. That makes zero sense. If their argument is that civilians shouldn't pay the price for actions of their government then why are they so intent of exacting a price from Israeli civilians while at the same time doing zero to actually help Palestinian civilians? Not only is there no solution offered but some of the messaging calls for the destruction of Israel (i.e. the killing of Israelis which is deemed "ok"). Given it makes no sense, and given there is an overflow of hate, I think there's reasonable grounds to be worried about the hate having real world impact (and it certainly has).
asdgksdniko 3y ago
A pro-Israel mob attacked the encampment at UCLA with bludgeons and explosives last night. The pro-Palestine protestors on campus have been, as far as I can tell, almost entirely peaceful everywhere in the country.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  > A pro-Israel mob attacked the encampment at UCLA with bludgeons and explosives last night. Can you provide a credible source for that? > The pro-Palestine protestors on campus have been, as far as I can tell, almost entirely peaceful everywhere in the country. Yes, agreed.
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    "Explosives" probably overstates it a bit, but fireworks were thrown into the encampment; first link has clear video of it. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2024/may/01/fireworks-thrown-at-gaza-protesters-as-tensions-rise-at-ucla-video-report https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2024/may/01/firewo... https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/counterprotesters-shoot-fireworks-into-ucla-encampment.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/counterprotesters-sh... A picture of a pro-Palestinian protester being hit with something I'd term a bludgeon is similarly easy to find: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ucla-student-encampment-attack-pro-israel-1235013151/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ucla-stu...
    - megous 3y ago
      UCLA renting the lawn next to the protesting students to some outside pro Israeli proterstors and then leting them attack their own students is quite a bold move. This almost looks like incitement to violence. The part about police just watching the students being beaten is also a nice reminder that police have no legal duty to protect anyone in the US. You can be beaten to a pulp in front of an officer of law and he can just watch and enjoy.
      - 3y ago

by tootie 3y ago

The only violence I've seen was committed by police. Besides, these universities have single-digit acceptance rates. They could lose half their applicants and still fill their seats no problem.

wonderwonder 3y ago

Then you have not looked, tons of violence against jews taking place on columbia and UCLA. Not to mention vandalism and denying access to public areas to other paying students

phone8675309 3y ago
This has slipped my notice as well - can you link to some of the incidents?
josefresco 3y ago
I've looked plenty mainly on Twitter/X and the only violence I've seen is by the police and today there were videos of "counter protestors" (1) attacking an encampment at UCLA. Please share links that back your claims. 1: Examples of "counter protest attack" https://twitter.com/TeresaWatanabe/status/1785575610469007471 https://twitter.com/TeresaWatanabe/status/178557561046900747... https://twitter.com/caitiedelaney/status/1785562553025765774 https://twitter.com/caitiedelaney/status/1785562553025765774 https://twitter.com/AssalRad/status/1785562525888917938 https://twitter.com/AssalRad/status/1785562525888917938
tootie 3y ago
You're wrong. There have not been serious attacks on any jews. There have been a handful of scuffles between counterprotestors, but nobody is being targeted. As someone who is at least ethnically jewish, I am entirely convinced that antisemitism is a red herring. There are far more jews amongst the protestors then there are victims of anything.
- nsguy 3y ago
  As someone else who is ethnically Jewish I feel there is definitely an element of antisemitism in these protests. Antisemitism isn't limited to physical attacks on Jewish people (which have been on the rise and are definitely correlated to the overall atmosphere). What do you think antisemitism is and do you really feel 100% of the protests and the protesters clearly hold no antisemitic views? I would say antisemitic views are rampant in many middle eastern communities and some subsection of the protesters and their stated views reflect that. Either way, Jewish people feel threatened (including myself).
  - tootie 3y ago
    I'm sure some people involved harbor antisemitic feelings. Lots of people do. If you feel threatened, I certainly can't tell you how to feel. But like 30,000 Gazans have been killed and the number of people killed by ivy league protests is resting comfortably at zero. So, I think one of these things is urgent and one just isn't.
    - nsguy 3y ago
      The intensity of the war in Gaza has declined. There is no real urgency. There is also no real solution the protesters are presenting about how we can get a ceasefire (which requires two sides to cease their fire), get the hostage situation resolved, and get Hamas ousted in Gaza. With Hamas officials stance of committing Oct 7th attacks over and over again I'm not sure where the protesters actually stand. Seemingly on the side of supporting violence against Israeli civilians while voicing concern for Palestinian civilians. Let's say the protesters get their way and their university "divests" from Israel. This is not going to help Palestinian civilians in any way. There's even a chance it results in more Palestinian suffering and death. The protesters aren't looking for a solution, they're looking to punish Israeli civilians for the war Israel started in Gaza after being attacked. That makes zero sense. If their argument is that civilians shouldn't pay the price for actions of their government then why are they so intent of exacting a price from Israeli civilians while at the same time doing zero to actually help Palestinian civilians? Not only is there no solution offered but some of the messaging calls for the destruction of Israel (i.e. the killing of Israelis which is deemed "ok"). Given it makes no sense, and given there is an overflow of hate, I think there's reasonable grounds to be worried about the hate having real world impact (and it certainly has).

asdgksdniko 3y ago

A pro-Israel mob attacked the encampment at UCLA with bludgeons and explosives last night. The pro-Palestine protestors on campus have been, as far as I can tell, almost entirely peaceful everywhere in the country.

wolverine876 3y ago
> A pro-Israel mob attacked the encampment at UCLA with bludgeons and explosives last night. Can you provide a credible source for that? > The pro-Palestine protestors on campus have been, as far as I can tell, almost entirely peaceful everywhere in the country. Yes, agreed.
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  "Explosives" probably overstates it a bit, but fireworks were thrown into the encampment; first link has clear video of it. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2024/may/01/fireworks-thrown-at-gaza-protesters-as-tensions-rise-at-ucla-video-report https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2024/may/01/firewo... https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/counterprotesters-shoot-fireworks-into-ucla-encampment.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/counterprotesters-sh... A picture of a pro-Palestinian protester being hit with something I'd term a bludgeon is similarly easy to find: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ucla-student-encampment-attack-pro-israel-1235013151/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ucla-stu...
  - megous 3y ago
    UCLA renting the lawn next to the protesting students to some outside pro Israeli proterstors and then leting them attack their own students is quite a bold move. This almost looks like incitement to violence. The part about police just watching the students being beaten is also a nice reminder that police have no legal duty to protect anyone in the US. You can be beaten to a pulp in front of an officer of law and he can just watch and enjoy.
    - 3y ago