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While the ban and rule are stupid beyond belief, I just want to make a note that Kevin is now unbanned and is asking people NOT to harass the mods https://www.

by dagmx 3y ago

While the ban and rule are stupid beyond belief, I just want to make a note that Kevin is now unbanned and is asking people NOT to harass the mods https://www.reddit.com/r/java/s/45sghfd8J8 https://www.reddit.com/r/java/s/45sghfd8J8

bun_terminator 3y ago
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- terr-dav 3y ago
  Are you advocating for harassment?
  - bun_terminator 3y ago
    I'm advocating for these people to go away and let people do their thing. They're a burden on society.
    - mschuster91 3y ago
      While few things are more annoying than Reddit mods on a power trip - since Reddit-the-company doesn't do any more moderation than what they're legally required to (=CSAM, violence, nation-specific hate speech laws), a subreddit without moderation will quickly either devolve into outright anarchy (r/worldnews) and completely lose its focus, or it will become completely overrun with spammers and scammers.
      - bun_terminator 3y ago
        People keep repeating that, but every social space quality correlates inversely with censorship ("moderation"). And this occurrence (and the thousands of similar per day) have nothing todo with spammers and scammers. I invite everyone to look at: https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/java/new/ https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/java/new/ I'd say they remove about 90% of everything?
        mschuster91 3y ago
        Out of what I can see there, only 50 posts in 2 days that got removed, of which a bunch were plain troll posts, stuff relating to Minecraft (probably a bunch of dumbass kids not recognizing they'd be better served in the multitude of Minecraft subs), stuff that doesn't fit into the sub (e.g. specific Tomcat/Payara/... questions), spam, "interaction/karma bait" (aka, "what's the current state of X") and completely generic/noob questions.
        bun_terminator 3y ago
        You'd have to look before this drama of course - since then the sub obviously flooded. I'm not familiar with Java, but it seems to me they remove quite a few reasonable posts. Including some that got traction of the community.
  - spencerflem 3y ago
    this is currently downvoted and I don't get why- there are ways to make productive change that aren't harassment. if your take to "don't harass the mods" is "nah, punish them" I don't see how you can be advocating for anything else
    - bun_terminator 3y ago
      this was downvoted because it's dishonest. I said "punish", not harass. Which obviously doesn't mean physically or legally or whatever
Gerlo 3y ago
The mods deserve it. You or I would not be unbanned so easily.
paxys 3y ago
The mods continue to stay silent, remove all posts trying to discuss the issue, and not commit to any rules changes. So yeah, the "harassment" (which is really just people going WTF and wanting action) is well deserved.
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echelon 3y ago
Reddit moderation is an experiment in autocratic dictatorship, and this is yet another shining example. While not all moderators behave selfishly or egotistically, a large enough number of them do such that the experience at scale sucks. You don't know what the rules of each individual subreddit are, and you can easily find yourself banned for completely harmless behavior. This is at odds with Reddit's recent growth strategy of funneling people into new subreddits from the main feed. Often times you may not even know what subreddit you're in, yet the mods still expect you to read their rules before commenting. I was shadow banned from my home city for commenting on crime once. I never got a reason or justification. Now I can't exchange concert tickets or participate in local discussion. It feels like a crime against my person. I've had moderators ban me for winning a friendly argument they weren't even involved in. I've even been banned for posting in an unrelated subreddit: there's a moderation bot that will check your post history and automatically ban you. It's funny because I don't share the ideology of the subreddit they flagged me for posting in. All of this is a shining example of why freedom of speech is so important, and why moderation should be an individual choice where users can apply their own filters and blocking. Reddit mods get in early and by that merit alone are entitled to power. It doesn't make sense anymore.
- linker3000 3y ago
  > I've even been banned for posting in an unrelated subreddit. This is against the mod rules and deserves reporting.
- npteljes 3y ago
  >Reddit moderation is an experiment in autocratic dictatorship I think that most power structures are "an experiment in autocratic dictatorship". Most include normal people in some way to some extent, but at the end of the day, there is a few who say what's going on, and then that's what's going on. Therefore I don't think that anyone needs to take this so seriously. But it might be worth keeping in mind that the opposite is not true either. No matter how friendly a Reddit sub is, it's the mods who decide what and who stays. Same with websites: while many act like a public space, everything is up to the private host actually.
lupusreal 3y ago
The mods are psychopathic idiots and deserve to be harassed until they resign.
stiltzkin 3y ago
He was unbanned because who he is, any other person they wouldn't care.

by dagmx 3y ago

bun_terminator 3y ago

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terr-dav 3y ago
Are you advocating for harassment?
- bun_terminator 3y ago
  I'm advocating for these people to go away and let people do their thing. They're a burden on society.
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    While few things are more annoying than Reddit mods on a power trip - since Reddit-the-company doesn't do any more moderation than what they're legally required to (=CSAM, violence, nation-specific hate speech laws), a subreddit without moderation will quickly either devolve into outright anarchy (r/worldnews) and completely lose its focus, or it will become completely overrun with spammers and scammers.
    - bun_terminator 3y ago
      People keep repeating that, but every social space quality correlates inversely with censorship ("moderation"). And this occurrence (and the thousands of similar per day) have nothing todo with spammers and scammers. I invite everyone to look at: https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/java/new/ https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/java/new/ I'd say they remove about 90% of everything?
      - mschuster91 3y ago
        Out of what I can see there, only 50 posts in 2 days that got removed, of which a bunch were plain troll posts, stuff relating to Minecraft (probably a bunch of dumbass kids not recognizing they'd be better served in the multitude of Minecraft subs), stuff that doesn't fit into the sub (e.g. specific Tomcat/Payara/... questions), spam, "interaction/karma bait" (aka, "what's the current state of X") and completely generic/noob questions.
        bun_terminator 3y ago
        You'd have to look before this drama of course - since then the sub obviously flooded. I'm not familiar with Java, but it seems to me they remove quite a few reasonable posts. Including some that got traction of the community.
- spencerflem 3y ago
  this is currently downvoted and I don't get why- there are ways to make productive change that aren't harassment. if your take to "don't harass the mods" is "nah, punish them" I don't see how you can be advocating for anything else
  - bun_terminator 3y ago
    this was downvoted because it's dishonest. I said "punish", not harass. Which obviously doesn't mean physically or legally or whatever

Gerlo 3y ago

The mods deserve it. You or I would not be unbanned so easily.

paxys 3y ago

The mods continue to stay silent, remove all posts trying to discuss the issue, and not commit to any rules changes. So yeah, the "harassment" (which is really just people going WTF and wanting action) is well deserved.

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echelon 3y ago

Reddit moderation is an experiment in autocratic dictatorship, and this is yet another shining example. While not all moderators behave selfishly or egotistically, a large enough number of them do such that the experience at scale sucks. You don't know what the rules of each individual subreddit are, and you can easily find yourself banned for completely harmless behavior. This is at odds with Reddit's recent growth strategy of funneling people into new subreddits from the main feed. Often times you may not even know what subreddit you're in, yet the mods still expect you to read their rules before commenting. I was shadow banned from my home city for commenting on crime once. I never got a reason or justification. Now I can't exchange concert tickets or participate in local discussion. It feels like a crime against my person. I've had moderators ban me for winning a friendly argument they weren't even involved in. I've even been banned for posting in an unrelated subreddit: there's a moderation bot that will check your post history and automatically ban you. It's funny because I don't share the ideology of the subreddit they flagged me for posting in. All of this is a shining example of why freedom of speech is so important, and why moderation should be an individual choice where users can apply their own filters and blocking. Reddit mods get in early and by that merit alone are entitled to power. It doesn't make sense anymore.

linker3000 3y ago
> I've even been banned for posting in an unrelated subreddit. This is against the mod rules and deserves reporting.
npteljes 3y ago
>Reddit moderation is an experiment in autocratic dictatorship I think that most power structures are "an experiment in autocratic dictatorship". Most include normal people in some way to some extent, but at the end of the day, there is a few who say what's going on, and then that's what's going on. Therefore I don't think that anyone needs to take this so seriously. But it might be worth keeping in mind that the opposite is not true either. No matter how friendly a Reddit sub is, it's the mods who decide what and who stays. Same with websites: while many act like a public space, everything is up to the private host actually.

lupusreal 3y ago

The mods are psychopathic idiots and deserve to be harassed until they resign.

stiltzkin 3y ago

He was unbanned because who he is, any other person they wouldn't care.