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I mean, you can upgrade from w10 to w11 for free, without reinstalling full system. It's not really much different then 'w10 updates forever', just marketing w

by Xeamek 2y ago

I mean, you can upgrade from w10 to w11 for free, without reinstalling full system. It's not really much different then 'w10 updates forever', just marketing with new version.

_aavaa_ 2y ago
Unless you happen to have a CPU which isn't supported, like those still being made at the time when w11 was released. High end cpus too.
- Xeamek 2y ago
  Sure, but even we stayed with w10 naming, we would still get an update with stricter requirements eventually
  - FredPret 2y ago
    I'm willing to buy a new computer every couple of years, but not to learn a new operating system.
  - _aavaa_ 2y ago
    Eventually is the operative word there. Windows 11 dropped 6 years after windows 10. And at the time it didn't support top of the line CPUs from 2 years ago. Contrast that with Ubuntu which talked about dropping support for x86-v1 only 5 months ago[0]. [0]: https://ubuntu.com/blog/optimising-ubuntu-performance-on-amd64-architecture https://ubuntu.com/blog/optimising-ubuntu-performance-on-amd...
- andix 2y ago
  Even with most unsupported CPUs you can upgrade to Windows 11. (edit: I think everything newer than 1st gen Intel core is still working) And there is not one piece of software I know of, that promises infinite support time. Windows 10 keeps its promised EOL dates.
  - _aavaa_ 2y ago
    See the comment a few levels up about windows 10 literally promising to be the last version of windows and only updates from now on.
    - andix 2y ago
      Technically Windows 11 is an update of Windows 10. Look at the version number. It's 10.0.x.x. And seriously, nobody ever promised there will be updates for old hardware for eternity.
      - crtasm 2y ago
        But they are excluding recent (maybe also current?) hardware, unnecessarily.
        andix 2y ago
        Yes, they are, but that's not related to the version number. Things like that also happened before on a smaller scale with windows 10 updates.
        crtasm 2y ago
        I make no comment on version numbers. It sounded like you were saying they're only dropping support for old hardware, which is not the case.
      - raxxorraxor 2y ago
        The hardware requirements are arbitrary though. It is more of a severe shortcoming of the OS because they want to enforce certain machine DRM. And certainly not because of security, that wasn't a priority at Microsoft.
  - runjake 2y ago
    You can but it requires third-party hacks (Eg. Rufus. Microsoft removed it's first-party hacks to allow it).
FredPret 2y ago
I feel Microsoft's main value add is (was?) their business focus. The system is meant for getting things done, and has backward compatibility both for files and for ways of working. But then with Windows 8, things changed. Suddenly there's two control panels, the interface is totally different, and many more things. They shifted the paradigm on me. But I have the same Turing machine as before. I'm doing the same types of tasks as before. Why do I have to do it differently? Now my work comes with the additional mental overhead of dealing with the Win 7 to Win 8 shift. But I was willing to go along, thinking they'd eventually iron out the kinks and then things would work better than before. Win 10 seemed to be a step in the right direction. So when they changed everything around again, I was done. Others may see it differently.
- benterix 2y ago
  > Others may see it differently. I think at least some of them see it the same way as you and this might explain some of the numbers.
raxxorraxor 2y ago
> I mean, you can upgrade from w10 to w11 for free, without reinstalling full system. Depends on how you have formatted your harddrive. If you used MBR instead of GPT Windows will shamelessly claim that 11 isn't compatible with your hardware. Which is a whole lot of bullshit and will probably lead to a whole lot of waste. It has the advantage that Windows 10 completely stops bugging you about upgrading though.

by Xeamek 2y ago

I mean, you can upgrade from w10 to w11 for free, without reinstalling full system. It's not really much different then 'w10 updates forever', just marketing with new version.

_aavaa_ 2y ago

Unless you happen to have a CPU which isn't supported, like those still being made at the time when w11 was released. High end cpus too.

Xeamek 2y ago
Sure, but even we stayed with w10 naming, we would still get an update with stricter requirements eventually
- FredPret 2y ago
  I'm willing to buy a new computer every couple of years, but not to learn a new operating system.
- _aavaa_ 2y ago
  Eventually is the operative word there. Windows 11 dropped 6 years after windows 10. And at the time it didn't support top of the line CPUs from 2 years ago. Contrast that with Ubuntu which talked about dropping support for x86-v1 only 5 months ago[0]. [0]: https://ubuntu.com/blog/optimising-ubuntu-performance-on-amd64-architecture https://ubuntu.com/blog/optimising-ubuntu-performance-on-amd...
andix 2y ago
Even with most unsupported CPUs you can upgrade to Windows 11. (edit: I think everything newer than 1st gen Intel core is still working) And there is not one piece of software I know of, that promises infinite support time. Windows 10 keeps its promised EOL dates.
- _aavaa_ 2y ago
  See the comment a few levels up about windows 10 literally promising to be the last version of windows and only updates from now on.
  - andix 2y ago
    Technically Windows 11 is an update of Windows 10. Look at the version number. It's 10.0.x.x. And seriously, nobody ever promised there will be updates for old hardware for eternity.
    - crtasm 2y ago
      But they are excluding recent (maybe also current?) hardware, unnecessarily.
      - andix 2y ago
        Yes, they are, but that's not related to the version number. Things like that also happened before on a smaller scale with windows 10 updates.
        crtasm 2y ago
        I make no comment on version numbers. It sounded like you were saying they're only dropping support for old hardware, which is not the case.
    - raxxorraxor 2y ago
      The hardware requirements are arbitrary though. It is more of a severe shortcoming of the OS because they want to enforce certain machine DRM. And certainly not because of security, that wasn't a priority at Microsoft.
- runjake 2y ago
  You can but it requires third-party hacks (Eg. Rufus. Microsoft removed it's first-party hacks to allow it).

FredPret 2y ago

I feel Microsoft's main value add is (was?) their business focus. The system is meant for getting things done, and has backward compatibility both for files and for ways of working. But then with Windows 8, things changed. Suddenly there's two control panels, the interface is totally different, and many more things. They shifted the paradigm on me. But I have the same Turing machine as before. I'm doing the same types of tasks as before. Why do I have to do it differently? Now my work comes with the additional mental overhead of dealing with the Win 7 to Win 8 shift. But I was willing to go along, thinking they'd eventually iron out the kinks and then things would work better than before. Win 10 seemed to be a step in the right direction. So when they changed everything around again, I was done. Others may see it differently.

benterix 2y ago
> Others may see it differently. I think at least some of them see it the same way as you and this might explain some of the numbers.

raxxorraxor 2y ago

> I mean, you can upgrade from w10 to w11 for free, without reinstalling full system. Depends on how you have formatted your harddrive. If you used MBR instead of GPT Windows will shamelessly claim that 11 isn't compatible with your hardware. Which is a whole lot of bullshit and will probably lead to a whole lot of waste. It has the advantage that Windows 10 completely stops bugging you about upgrading though.