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Somewhat?! Dude is a walking scandal machine. They make bumper stickers for tesla owners apologizing for Musk's behavior. His behavior is listed in the risk ca

by sqeaky 2y ago

Somewhat?! Dude is a walking scandal machine. They make bumper stickers for tesla owners apologizing for Musk's behavior. His behavior is listed in the risk category for at least one of his company's financial filings. Only the most extremely tech oriented people see him as something other that extremely toxic.

throwitaway222 2y ago
He has a billion kids and many divorces and out of wedlock kids... is that the controversy? Or is it that he questions the narrative? If someone stops virtue signalling, are they no longer worthy of praise? So no one can be themselves? Other than that he * kept twitter running on a staff 1/5 the size * created the only high speed internet that is available globally * has completely taken over the EV market. I don't agree with the FSD stuff, that is killing people.
- nxobject 2y ago
  I mean, there isn't much ambiguity here. The tech press is perfectly happy to dish out clear criticism of his work: the controversy is how he constantly undermines his companies' achievements and their ability to function. (For example, the fact that Tesla's layoffs seem to be touching the Supercharger teams is incomprehensible to me, since they seem to be a source of revenue and value completely unconnected to the fate of Musk-driven product ideas.)
- jcranmer 2y ago
  > is that the controversy? The most salient political controversy he has wandered into his "defense" of free speech, which has largely consisted of platforming neo-Nazis and transphobes while kicking off people who report on him kicking off someone who ran an account tracking the movements of his public plane and filing SLAPP suits against those who committed the heinous crime of making him look bad. Beyond that, he has engaged in the standard tech-bro stance of it's-unconstitutional-for-the-government-to-do-anything-to-me (his attempts to flout California's covid lockdowns, e.g., or his more recent attempts to declare the NLRB and SEC unconstitutional agencies because they ruled against his companies). > * kept twitter running on a staff 1/5 the size In my subjective experience, Twitter quality has collapsed, and most of the people I'm interested in following have left the platform altogether. Also, he's trying his best to rebrand it to "X", which is such a smashing success that every commentary has to at least refer to it was "X (formerly Twitter)" and in many cases, people (such as you) don't bother to attempt to refer to it by its new name. > * created the only high speed internet that is available globally It's not officially available in Russia, I believe, so hardly "globally". Oh, it's also not available in Antarctica, which is another place with very crappy internet service. > * has completely taken over the EV market. I don't agree with the FSD stuff, that is killing people. Much less than "completely taken over", Tesla is no longer the largest seller of EVs, now that BYD has eclipsed it.
- NicoJuicy 2y ago
  The guy is talented, Twitter was a mistake. None of that addresses his sanity or his fallacies ( wants lower taxes -> Trump and is dependent on China too much -> Tesla is the only solely owned foreign company in China as far as I'm aware). Wether Tesla's dependency on China is a good thing, is starting to play out now... And it seems it was not.
  - whimsicalism 2y ago
    > only solely owned foreign company in China I find it highly unlikely this is true, will try to think of a counter example in a bit (cargill) Also tesla is public?
    - NicoJuicy 2y ago
      https://www.cargill.com/story/happy-50th-50-things-you-might-not-know-about-cargill-china https://www.cargill.com/story/happy-50th-50-things-you-might... > In ‘88, Cargill enters mainland China with a joint venture with Shandong Supply and Marketing Cooperative, and China International Trust and Investment Corporation. Together, they build a cottonseed crushing plant in Shandong, which begins operations in April 1990. Related to Tesla. It's been overtaken by BYD, electric vehicle sales numbers are dropping. China is taking it's tech, seems to get their FSD tech relatively soon ( at least in license). Share price doesn't reflect a successful business decision or not. Not taking away the wonder of creating a car company on your own, that's nuts what he did there though.

by sqeaky 2y ago

throwitaway222 2y ago

He has a billion kids and many divorces and out of wedlock kids... is that the controversy? Or is it that he questions the narrative? If someone stops virtue signalling, are they no longer worthy of praise? So no one can be themselves? Other than that he * kept twitter running on a staff 1/5 the size * created the only high speed internet that is available globally * has completely taken over the EV market. I don't agree with the FSD stuff, that is killing people.

nxobject 2y ago
I mean, there isn't much ambiguity here. The tech press is perfectly happy to dish out clear criticism of his work: the controversy is how he constantly undermines his companies' achievements and their ability to function. (For example, the fact that Tesla's layoffs seem to be touching the Supercharger teams is incomprehensible to me, since they seem to be a source of revenue and value completely unconnected to the fate of Musk-driven product ideas.)
jcranmer 2y ago
> is that the controversy? The most salient political controversy he has wandered into his "defense" of free speech, which has largely consisted of platforming neo-Nazis and transphobes while kicking off people who report on him kicking off someone who ran an account tracking the movements of his public plane and filing SLAPP suits against those who committed the heinous crime of making him look bad. Beyond that, he has engaged in the standard tech-bro stance of it's-unconstitutional-for-the-government-to-do-anything-to-me (his attempts to flout California's covid lockdowns, e.g., or his more recent attempts to declare the NLRB and SEC unconstitutional agencies because they ruled against his companies). > * kept twitter running on a staff 1/5 the size In my subjective experience, Twitter quality has collapsed, and most of the people I'm interested in following have left the platform altogether. Also, he's trying his best to rebrand it to "X", which is such a smashing success that every commentary has to at least refer to it was "X (formerly Twitter)" and in many cases, people (such as you) don't bother to attempt to refer to it by its new name. > * created the only high speed internet that is available globally It's not officially available in Russia, I believe, so hardly "globally". Oh, it's also not available in Antarctica, which is another place with very crappy internet service. > * has completely taken over the EV market. I don't agree with the FSD stuff, that is killing people. Much less than "completely taken over", Tesla is no longer the largest seller of EVs, now that BYD has eclipsed it.
NicoJuicy 2y ago
The guy is talented, Twitter was a mistake. None of that addresses his sanity or his fallacies ( wants lower taxes -> Trump and is dependent on China too much -> Tesla is the only solely owned foreign company in China as far as I'm aware). Wether Tesla's dependency on China is a good thing, is starting to play out now... And it seems it was not.
- whimsicalism 2y ago
  > only solely owned foreign company in China I find it highly unlikely this is true, will try to think of a counter example in a bit (cargill) Also tesla is public?
  - NicoJuicy 2y ago
    https://www.cargill.com/story/happy-50th-50-things-you-might-not-know-about-cargill-china https://www.cargill.com/story/happy-50th-50-things-you-might... > In ‘88, Cargill enters mainland China with a joint venture with Shandong Supply and Marketing Cooperative, and China International Trust and Investment Corporation. Together, they build a cottonseed crushing plant in Shandong, which begins operations in April 1990. Related to Tesla. It's been overtaken by BYD, electric vehicle sales numbers are dropping. China is taking it's tech, seems to get their FSD tech relatively soon ( at least in license). Share price doesn't reflect a successful business decision or not. Not taking away the wonder of creating a car company on your own, that's nuts what he did there though.