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As an engineer don't get any of this drama. Can someone summarize what this is all about? From what I had the patience to read people are getting censored on th

As an engineer don't get any of this drama. Can someone summarize what this is all about? From what I had the patience to read people are getting censored on the Nix chat? How does this effect Nix on a technical level? Was the censoring related specially to technical debates?

bennyhill 2y ago
It seems to me like the primary claim is that no one is providing people management. I'm not really convinced that anyone wants to do that for free or that anyone technical wants to spend free time engaging with an organization that organizationally identical to an employer.
rgoulter 2y ago
> As an engineer don't get any of this drama. Since the rise of social media at least a decade ago, tech has seen all kinds of "dramas". > Can someone summarize what this is all about? From what I had the patience to read people are getting censored on the Nix chat? Any summary is going to be biased/motivated by who's doing the summarising. -- There are some summaries in some of the other HN threads. (See some top level comments). e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40115567 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40115567 this comment seems to summarize the concerns held by people in the letter. What seems to have drawn the most heat is "Anduril (builds military weapons) sponsors Nix" and "moderation doesn't ban bad people". The latter draws a lot of heated discussion, since people frustrated with the moderators both have a "good vs evil" fighting mentality, & a desire for broad powers to ban. (Or on the flipside, I guess: since there are so many bad actors & the moderators don't have power to ban them). FWIW, I think the term "suspended" would be more appropriate than "censored". > How does this effect Nix on a technical level? Was the censoring related specially to technical debates? The moderation actions have never been over technical posts. Some of the open letter signatories have opted to no longer contribute to Nix. One of these was a top-5 contributor to the Nixpkgs repository. Anduril is a gold sponsor of the NixCon 2024 event. To the extent that the letter signatories are a significant chunk of nixpkgs contributors, these contributions are lost. -- Perhaps to the extent that most people agree (or disagree) with stuff like in the letter, might discourage people from joining the community depending on how the moderation gets done.

bennyhill 2y ago

It seems to me like the primary claim is that no one is providing people management. I'm not really convinced that anyone wants to do that for free or that anyone technical wants to spend free time engaging with an organization that organizationally identical to an employer.

rgoulter 2y ago

> As an engineer don't get any of this drama. Since the rise of social media at least a decade ago, tech has seen all kinds of "dramas". > Can someone summarize what this is all about? From what I had the patience to read people are getting censored on the Nix chat? Any summary is going to be biased/motivated by who's doing the summarising. -- There are some summaries in some of the other HN threads. (See some top level comments). e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40115567 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40115567 this comment seems to summarize the concerns held by people in the letter. What seems to have drawn the most heat is "Anduril (builds military weapons) sponsors Nix" and "moderation doesn't ban bad people". The latter draws a lot of heated discussion, since people frustrated with the moderators both have a "good vs evil" fighting mentality, & a desire for broad powers to ban. (Or on the flipside, I guess: since there are so many bad actors & the moderators don't have power to ban them). FWIW, I think the term "suspended" would be more appropriate than "censored". > How does this effect Nix on a technical level? Was the censoring related specially to technical debates? The moderation actions have never been over technical posts. Some of the open letter signatories have opted to no longer contribute to Nix. One of these was a top-5 contributor to the Nixpkgs repository. Anduril is a gold sponsor of the NixCon 2024 event. To the extent that the letter signatories are a significant chunk of nixpkgs contributors, these contributions are lost. -- Perhaps to the extent that most people agree (or disagree) with stuff like in the letter, might discourage people from joining the community depending on how the moderation gets done.