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In what metrics is Tesla ahead on self driving? Waymo has been operating (actual self driving) in SF for years without major incidents, and has been doing reven
by thebigman433 2y ago
In what metrics is Tesla ahead on self driving? Waymo has been operating (actual self driving) in SF for years without major incidents, and has been doing revenue service for nearly a year now. Tesla has shown nothing even remotely close to the level of self driving as Waymo, even in a controlled environment.
For actual self driving, Tesla is going to need a fully revamped sensor package on the car, as well as major updates to their core software. Id be shocked if they are operating revenue service within even a few years
- robertlagrant 2y agoI haven't seen Waymo videos for a few years, but can they do things on highways the way Teslas can? I've only seen a couple of around-town videos, so I don't know.
- recursivecaveat 2y agoApparently yes now: https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/8/24029932/waymo-driverless-highway-trips-phoenix-speed-testing https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/8/24029932/waymo-driverless-...
- robertlagrant 2y agoInteresting! I don't know loads about self driving cars, but my understanding was that Tesla's self driving has done a lot of freeway miles, and not just in a small simple area.
- root_axis 2y ago"Tesla miles" are also a misleading metric because they don't factor in all the times the driver has to take back control over the vehicle to ensure safe operation, it's just the sum of arbitrary stretches of self driving that don't represent true autonomous operation.
- robertlagrant 2y agoI agree it's not the same, but that's sort of my point. Tesla's gone for global usage, with automatic deactivation, whereas Waymo has done a very specific area of roads built in a similar style. It's broad vs deep, is what I mean.
- ra7 2y ago> whereas Waymo has done a very specific area of roads built in a similar style How are steep and hilly roads of San Francisco similar in style to flat, grid-like roads of Phoenix?
- robertlagrant 2y agoWell, for example if you drive in Europe you'll see much narrower roads, way more pedestrians and crossings; all sorts of things.
- ra7 2y agoRight, so what you really mean is urban vs highway driving. In self driving, urban driving is considered much more challenging precisely because of the characteristics you listed. That's why you see Waymo only now dipping into highway driving because the primary taxi market is all inside busy cities.
- robertlagrant 2y ago> Right, so what you really mean is urban vs highway driving No, I don't mean that.
- ra7 2y agoThen I’m afraid you’re unclear because the cities Waymo operates in all have different characteristics and don’t have “similar style of roads”. Driving in SF is very different from driving in Phoenix.
- greenthrow 2y agoMercedes and BMW are offering driver assistance you can buy today that is more advanced than Tesla on the freeway. Tesla is in no way a leader in automated driving.
- robertlagrant 2y agoSorry - I don't see how either of those sentences is relevant.
- thebigman433 2y agoWaymo is currently doing a huge amount of testing on the freeway. But also, Waymo is fully autonomous in the entirety of San Francisco (and a few other cities). Its not just an assist program that you have to keep your eyes on, its a legit full self driving system, leagues above Tesla's.