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The problem also: major cities have simply stopped reporting crime at all. Further, crimes go unreported because police have stopped responding to many of them.

by AmVess 2y ago

The problem also: major cities have simply stopped reporting crime at all. Further, crimes go unreported because police have stopped responding to many of them. And then you have the other neat new thing of all races being listed as white.

ceejayoz 2y ago
> The problem also: major cities have simply stopped reporting crime at all. I promise you, no major city has ceased to report and respond to homicides, where we continue to statistically enjoy one of the safest couple of decades in American history.
- genman 2y ago
  And what has it to do with wide spread blatant shoplifting affecting many US cities?
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    You mean the stat that is... * Frequently inflated with claims that there's a whole bunch of them suddenly unreported? * Likely blown out to some extent by statistical outliers? https://counciloncj.org/is-shoplifting-up-or-down/ https://counciloncj.org/is-shoplifting-up-or-down/ * Overstated by companies to justify store closings? https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/06/business/walgreens-shoplifting.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/06/business/walgreens-shopli... It's exceedingly difficult to determine the actual rate of shoplifting on a national scale. The claim was "major cities have simply stopped reporting crime at all" which is just... laughable. As is the "everything's reported as white" follow-up.
    - genman 2y ago
      And that was the main point of my comment - we really don't know what is the actual situation.
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        I thought it was "wide spread" and "affecting many US cities"?
        genman 2y ago
        Yes, this is one particular crime where crime level might (see my original comment) be higher than the official picture presents. Even when it is not reported then people still perceive it as crime.
- adolph 2y ago
  I promise you that major cities have stopped reporting crime to the FBI. At least one major city hid lack of crime response under administrative labels. The FBI data is based on voluntary reporting by individual law enforcement agencies, and last year, half of US police departments, including those in big cities such as Los Angeles and New York, failed to submit data for 2021. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/22/us-crime-stats-warning-experts-fbi https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/22/us-crime-sta... Seven months after the May 2023, assault, Houston police classified the incident as “suspended – lack of personnel,” an internal label placed on tens of thousands of incidents over the past decade. The classification perplexed Hill, who felt the matter had been long settled. https://houstonlanding.org/did-hpd-neglect-suspended-cases-we-asked-24-crime-victims-about-their-experience/ https://houstonlanding.org/did-hpd-neglect-suspended-cases-w...
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    "to the FBI" is a much narrower claim, and assaults aren't homicides. It is not suprising to me that some assaults would not be followed-up on; that's why homicide rates are much more interesting. Numbers for the missing NYC, for example, are hardly difficult to dig up. https://abc7ny.com/nypd-crime-shootings-murders/14259597/ https://abc7ny.com/nypd-crime-shootings-murders/14259597/ > The NYPD released some statistics about safety in New York City during 2023. The number of murders and shootings in the city both decreased last year and are continuing to track downward following the pandemic. New York City had 386 homicides last year, according to new NYPD data, an 11.9% decrease from 2022.
    - adolph 2y ago
      > "to the FBI" is a much narrower claim The context is Pew research using stats reported to the FBI and surveys by the DoJ. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-...

by AmVess 2y ago

ceejayoz 2y ago

> The problem also: major cities have simply stopped reporting crime at all. I promise you, no major city has ceased to report and respond to homicides, where we continue to statistically enjoy one of the safest couple of decades in American history.

genman 2y ago
And what has it to do with wide spread blatant shoplifting affecting many US cities?
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  You mean the stat that is... * Frequently inflated with claims that there's a whole bunch of them suddenly unreported? * Likely blown out to some extent by statistical outliers? https://counciloncj.org/is-shoplifting-up-or-down/ https://counciloncj.org/is-shoplifting-up-or-down/ * Overstated by companies to justify store closings? https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/06/business/walgreens-shoplifting.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/06/business/walgreens-shopli... It's exceedingly difficult to determine the actual rate of shoplifting on a national scale. The claim was "major cities have simply stopped reporting crime at all" which is just... laughable. As is the "everything's reported as white" follow-up.
  - genman 2y ago
    And that was the main point of my comment - we really don't know what is the actual situation.
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      I thought it was "wide spread" and "affecting many US cities"?
      - genman 2y ago
        Yes, this is one particular crime where crime level might (see my original comment) be higher than the official picture presents. Even when it is not reported then people still perceive it as crime.
adolph 2y ago
I promise you that major cities have stopped reporting crime to the FBI. At least one major city hid lack of crime response under administrative labels. The FBI data is based on voluntary reporting by individual law enforcement agencies, and last year, half of US police departments, including those in big cities such as Los Angeles and New York, failed to submit data for 2021. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/22/us-crime-stats-warning-experts-fbi https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/22/us-crime-sta... Seven months after the May 2023, assault, Houston police classified the incident as “suspended – lack of personnel,” an internal label placed on tens of thousands of incidents over the past decade. The classification perplexed Hill, who felt the matter had been long settled. https://houstonlanding.org/did-hpd-neglect-suspended-cases-we-asked-24-crime-victims-about-their-experience/ https://houstonlanding.org/did-hpd-neglect-suspended-cases-w...
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  "to the FBI" is a much narrower claim, and assaults aren't homicides. It is not suprising to me that some assaults would not be followed-up on; that's why homicide rates are much more interesting. Numbers for the missing NYC, for example, are hardly difficult to dig up. https://abc7ny.com/nypd-crime-shootings-murders/14259597/ https://abc7ny.com/nypd-crime-shootings-murders/14259597/ > The NYPD released some statistics about safety in New York City during 2023. The number of murders and shootings in the city both decreased last year and are continuing to track downward following the pandemic. New York City had 386 homicides last year, according to new NYPD data, an 11.9% decrease from 2022.
  - adolph 2y ago
    > "to the FBI" is a much narrower claim The context is Pew research using stats reported to the FBI and surveys by the DoJ. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-...