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> In 2022, those who are male, younger people and those who are Black accounted for considerably larger shares of perceived offenders in violent incidents than

> In 2022, those who are male, younger people and those who are Black accounted for considerably larger shares of perceived offenders in violent incidents than their respective shares of the U.S. population. Men, for instance, accounted for 79% of perceived offenders in violent incidents, compared with 49% of the nation’s 12-and-older population that year. Black Americans accounted for 25% of perceived offenders in violent incidents, about twice their share of the 12-and-older population (12%). Extremely misleading paragraph. It implies that Black Americans are maligned for being criminals more than their true share of the population; but the arrest data shows that blacks are 27% of all those arrested, and more than 50% of those arrested for murder. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

ceejayoz 2y ago
And you think arrest rates are unaffected by racism? Traffic stops lose their racial disparity when the sun goes down (and cleverly, the control here was daylight savings time - the disparity jumps suddenly by an hour when DST goes into/out of effect) and cops can't see the occupants of cars as well. https://news.stanford.edu/2020/05/05/veil-darkness-reduces-racial-bias-traffic-stops/ https://news.stanford.edu/2020/05/05/veil-darkness-reduces-r...
- joey443 2y ago
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  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    It isn't true, though. https://sc.edu/uofsc/posts/2020/06/racial_disparities_traffic_stops.php https://sc.edu/uofsc/posts/2020/06/racial_disparities_traffi... > Blacks were 63 percent more likely to be stopped even though, as a whole, they drive 16 percent less. Taking into account less time on the road, blacks were about 95 percent more likely to be stopped. Blacks were 115 percent more likely than whites to be searched in a traffic stop (5.05 percent for blacks, 2.35 percent for whites). Contraband was more likely to be found in searches of white drivers. > “So, black drivers were stopped disproportionately more than white drivers compared to the local population and were at least twice as likely to be searched, but they were slightly less likely to get a ticket,” Shoub says. “That correlates with the idea that black drivers were stopped on the pretext of having done something wrong, and when the officer doesn’t see in the car what he thought he might, he tells them to go on their way.” (Even if it were, the SEC still isn't allowed to warrantless raids on white people just because they statistically commit more white-collar crimes.)
- Invictus0 2y ago
  No I don't, but that's the data I found, and it's a lot better than pretending that all races commit crime in equal proportion. Feel free to counter with better data, like murder convictions by race or similar, instead of just pearl clutching.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    Setting aside the fact that we know it's bad data, equating arrests with committing crime is another mistake.

ceejayoz 2y ago

And you think arrest rates are unaffected by racism? Traffic stops lose their racial disparity when the sun goes down (and cleverly, the control here was daylight savings time - the disparity jumps suddenly by an hour when DST goes into/out of effect) and cops can't see the occupants of cars as well. https://news.stanford.edu/2020/05/05/veil-darkness-reduces-racial-bias-traffic-stops/ https://news.stanford.edu/2020/05/05/veil-darkness-reduces-r...

joey443 2y ago
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- ceejayoz 2y ago
  It isn't true, though. https://sc.edu/uofsc/posts/2020/06/racial_disparities_traffic_stops.php https://sc.edu/uofsc/posts/2020/06/racial_disparities_traffi... > Blacks were 63 percent more likely to be stopped even though, as a whole, they drive 16 percent less. Taking into account less time on the road, blacks were about 95 percent more likely to be stopped. Blacks were 115 percent more likely than whites to be searched in a traffic stop (5.05 percent for blacks, 2.35 percent for whites). Contraband was more likely to be found in searches of white drivers. > “So, black drivers were stopped disproportionately more than white drivers compared to the local population and were at least twice as likely to be searched, but they were slightly less likely to get a ticket,” Shoub says. “That correlates with the idea that black drivers were stopped on the pretext of having done something wrong, and when the officer doesn’t see in the car what he thought he might, he tells them to go on their way.” (Even if it were, the SEC still isn't allowed to warrantless raids on white people just because they statistically commit more white-collar crimes.)
Invictus0 2y ago
No I don't, but that's the data I found, and it's a lot better than pretending that all races commit crime in equal proportion. Feel free to counter with better data, like murder convictions by race or similar, instead of just pearl clutching.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  Setting aside the fact that we know it's bad data, equating arrests with committing crime is another mistake.