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One person’s maintaining is another person’s building. There are definitely many many very competent people with a “builder” mindset that would get a kick out o

One person’s maintaining is another person’s building. There are definitely many many very competent people with a “builder” mindset that would get a kick out of building a good maintenance / service experience. It’s simply that these things aren’t respected by…someone…or someones, and don’t get the attention they deserve from the people that could provide it.

atonse 2y ago
For the record I wasn’t disparaging the maintainers. In Tesla’s situation, they need more people with a maintenance mindset to sustain their company. SpaceX has a nice mix of both.
s1artibartfast 2y ago
Yes, maintainer deserve respect. However, This is just wordplay redefining the concept building. If the purpose is maintenance, it is maintaining.
JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 2y ago
> One person’s maintaining is another person’s building IMHO, if you have a shitty harassing manager, you can switch from maintaining to being anti-work in a few months. And having a good manager can lift you from being a maintainer to being a tech lead at any company. This is a simple psychological trick that most companies have not figured out yet and it's very sad.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  Management is hard and ICs often underestimate the difficulty. Employees are diverse, and what works for one, doesn't work for another. Similarly, what ICs say will work and what actually works are usually very different.
  - cm11 2y ago
    To be fair, I think everyone underestimates the difficulty—including managers, the people that hire them, and the people who org companies to "require" a large number of people with these scarce skills. While I agree ICs underestimate the difficulty, I think what ICs are usually responding to is that the managing isn't good. Whether that's because managing is difficult or because their manager is bad is in some sense not what matters. Those problem are the managers' job or the managers' managers' job.

atonse 2y ago

For the record I wasn’t disparaging the maintainers. In Tesla’s situation, they need more people with a maintenance mindset to sustain their company. SpaceX has a nice mix of both.

s1artibartfast 2y ago

Yes, maintainer deserve respect. However, This is just wordplay redefining the concept building. If the purpose is maintenance, it is maintaining.

JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 2y ago

> One person’s maintaining is another person’s building IMHO, if you have a shitty harassing manager, you can switch from maintaining to being anti-work in a few months. And having a good manager can lift you from being a maintainer to being a tech lead at any company. This is a simple psychological trick that most companies have not figured out yet and it's very sad.

s1artibartfast 2y ago
Management is hard and ICs often underestimate the difficulty. Employees are diverse, and what works for one, doesn't work for another. Similarly, what ICs say will work and what actually works are usually very different.
- cm11 2y ago
  To be fair, I think everyone underestimates the difficulty—including managers, the people that hire them, and the people who org companies to "require" a large number of people with these scarce skills. While I agree ICs underestimate the difficulty, I think what ICs are usually responding to is that the managing isn't good. Whether that's because managing is difficult or because their manager is bad is in some sense not what matters. Those problem are the managers' job or the managers' managers' job.