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Have you used it? I find that when you use it as designed and pay attention it is much safer and easier to drive. Especially in road trips I arrive fresher than

Have you used it? I find that when you use it as designed and pay attention it is much safer and easier to drive. Especially in road trips I arrive fresher than I would if I were manually driving the entire time. Certainly there are dangers but there are already huge benefits.

bryanlarsen 2y ago
For me the big advantage of Tesla FSD is that I find I spend more attention watching for moose in rural areas and pedestrians/situational awareness in urban areas because I can let the computer handle the mundane stuff. Is this also the case with Blue Cruise? Does the eyeball monitoring camera count watching ditches & sidewalks as "paying attention" or does it force you to strictly keep eyes front?
- drcode 2y ago
  yeah the combination of fsd 12.3.5 + attentive human is incredible
davely 2y ago
Awhile back (ok, 10 years ago!), there was an interesting New Yorker article [1] about the rise of automation, specifically related to flight, but I think some points are relevant here: > But, as pilots were being freed of these responsibilities, they were becoming increasingly susceptible to boredom and complacency--problems that were all the more insidious for being difficult to identify and assess. As one pilot whom Wiener interviewed put it: "I know I'm not in the loop, but I'm not exactly out of the loop. It's more like I'm flying alongside the loop." I think these assisted driving features in cars are the same way. I personally like the idea of them, humans seem to be incredibly horrible drivers (especially here in the Bay Area). However, when attention and monitoring is still required, people get complacent. All that said, I'm not sure what the answer is -- maybe these systems need to get to a point where they are fully autonomous? But how do we get there and feel comfortable about it in the first place? Take air travel for example -- planes are probably perfectly capable of taking off, flying themselves from point A to point B, and landing without human intervention. Would you travel on a plane with no pilot? Probably not! [1] https://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/hazards-automation https://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/hazards-au...
- consp 2y ago
  Isn't that sort-of the same as an increase in accidents after seatbelts became mandatory?
rtkwe 2y ago
The big problem is it's VERY hard for people to stay continuously ready to take over at a moment's notice for long periods of time and then to maintain the discipline to do that over many trips. We just naturally get complacent and pay less attention than the systems currently demand because of their shortcomings.

bryanlarsen 2y ago

For me the big advantage of Tesla FSD is that I find I spend more attention watching for moose in rural areas and pedestrians/situational awareness in urban areas because I can let the computer handle the mundane stuff. Is this also the case with Blue Cruise? Does the eyeball monitoring camera count watching ditches & sidewalks as "paying attention" or does it force you to strictly keep eyes front?

drcode 2y ago
yeah the combination of fsd 12.3.5 + attentive human is incredible

davely 2y ago

Awhile back (ok, 10 years ago!), there was an interesting New Yorker article [1] about the rise of automation, specifically related to flight, but I think some points are relevant here: > But, as pilots were being freed of these responsibilities, they were becoming increasingly susceptible to boredom and complacency--problems that were all the more insidious for being difficult to identify and assess. As one pilot whom Wiener interviewed put it: "I know I'm not in the loop, but I'm not exactly out of the loop. It's more like I'm flying alongside the loop." I think these assisted driving features in cars are the same way. I personally like the idea of them, humans seem to be incredibly horrible drivers (especially here in the Bay Area). However, when attention and monitoring is still required, people get complacent. All that said, I'm not sure what the answer is -- maybe these systems need to get to a point where they are fully autonomous? But how do we get there and feel comfortable about it in the first place? Take air travel for example -- planes are probably perfectly capable of taking off, flying themselves from point A to point B, and landing without human intervention. Would you travel on a plane with no pilot? Probably not! [1] https://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/hazards-automation https://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/hazards-au...

consp 2y ago
Isn't that sort-of the same as an increase in accidents after seatbelts became mandatory?

rtkwe 2y ago

The big problem is it's VERY hard for people to stay continuously ready to take over at a moment's notice for long periods of time and then to maintain the discipline to do that over many trips. We just naturally get complacent and pay less attention than the systems currently demand because of their shortcomings.