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Also their entire lineup of actual cars is now outdated. The ark is almost Shakespearean. Pioneering renegade builds an empire, lets it go to his head, and lea

Also their entire lineup of actual cars is now outdated. The ark is almost Shakespearean. Pioneering renegade builds an empire, lets it go to his head, and leads two thirds of it to ruin. I just hope spacex escapes the same fate.

eagerpace 2y ago
They have the best selling car on earth, how are they outdated?
- surgical_fire 2y ago
  Is this true? Care to share some numbers?
  - HappySweeney 2y ago
    I thought it was total bs, but [0] shows it to be true. [0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/239229/most-sold-car-models-worldwide/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/239229/most-sold-car-mod...
    - shakesbeard 2y ago
      Yeah, but that's not a fair comparison. Toyota alone has 40 hybrid models. Tesla has like 4 ... Here's some stats from 2022 and Tesla was 15. in total car sales. [0] [0] https://www.carlogos.org/reviews/worlds-top-selling-automakers.html https://www.carlogos.org/reviews/worlds-top-selling-automake...
  - deelowe 2y ago
    Made the headlines last month. Tesla Y was the best selling car worldwide last year. That said, sales have dropped off a cliff going into this year.
    - surgical_fire 2y ago
      Caveats aside - other manufacturers are a lot more segmented in terms of brands/models trying to cover more price points while Tesla has like 5 models - it is still pretty impressive. I wonder if it would perform as well without Chinese EVs being banned on the US (my guess is yes), but that's another story. The fact that sales dropped off a cliff this year is also interesting. What meaningful happened in this period? More competition from other manufacturers in the EV space? Market saturation (the addressable market of people that would buy EVs was already covered)?
- deleted 2y ago
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- fullshark 2y ago
  Yeah a lot of comments here reek of the comments you always see dancing over FB/Google/Whoever's grave.
- drawkward 2y ago
  Ok, Elon.
jayd16 2y ago
Why do you say the lineup is outdated? The 3 just had a refreshed version and the y is likely to get it soon.
- dragontamer 2y ago
  The tech sucks. Lack of 360 cameras. Lack of RADAR. Lack of Ultrasonic sensors. Lack of Android Auto/Apple Carplay. Lack of integrated Rearview mirror camera. Lack of Heads-up Display (let alone augmented reality HUDs integrated into the GPS navigation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8tl0KmqaqU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8tl0KmqaqU) That's just the standard tech everyone likes in cars in the year 2024. There's also the lack of physical windshield wiper controls, physical highbeams, or physical climate control buttons. (Everything is tablet-only for the ultimate cheapness / low-end experience). ---------- The funny thing is that we're in a situation where a 2016-era Model 3 has a better driving experience than the refresh. Well, you know, until they software-disabled the Ultrasonics and RADAR units to make the older model worse.
  - noncoml 2y ago
    No HUD. Auto sensing wipers that never actually sense when it’s raining. Lack of physical buttons. No way to keep the sun out of the car making it feel like a greenhouse. Much less A/C vents than other cars. Plastic horrible interiors. No road noise isolation. You have to share the only screen with the passenger.
    - MarkMarine 2y ago
      They actually continuously deployed that wiper breaking update. My car in 2019 had wipers that worked. That and the phone key never working, especially when it was raining and I was holding a child and groceries… that was it for me. Traded it in for a gas car. I’m not pumped about oil changes but at least the company won’t be able to remotely deploy bugs to my working car features
    - tzs 2y ago
      > Auto sensing wipers that never actually sense when it’s raining I've never had auto sensing wipers, and am curious. Do they actually make enough of a difference to be worth the added hardware? The manual wipers with controls on one of the steering column stalks in my car are so little effort to use that I usually am not even aware of it. I see rain on the windshield and then I see the wipers deal with it and have to infer that I must have started them because that is much more likely than someone surreptitiously install an after-market automatic wiper system.
ncallaway 2y ago
The more distracted he is by those two, and the more Shotwell is running things, the more optimistic I am about SpaceX’s future. I trust her, and think she’s a capable pair of hands.
- ozr 2y ago
  She's 60 years old now.
  - mempko 2y ago
    So, more mature than Musk?
  - ncallaway 2y ago
    What’s the point of this statement? Do you list the age of every person mentioned in online conversations?
    - ozr 2y ago
      > the more Shotwell is running things, the more optimistic I am about SpaceX’s future. Her age is relevant when discussing the future of SpaceX, considering the median retirement age.
      - ncallaway 2y ago
        Sure, by future I meant immediate future, as in the next 0-5 years, not the long term 10+ year future for SpaceX.
- marcusverus 2y ago
  I recall that she landed some clutch contracts for SpaceX >10 years ago, but I haven't heard much about her since. What has she done that makes you think she's up to running SpaceX?
  - xenadu02 2y ago

eagerpace 2y ago

They have the best selling car on earth, how are they outdated?

surgical_fire 2y ago
Is this true? Care to share some numbers?
- HappySweeney 2y ago
  I thought it was total bs, but [0] shows it to be true. [0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/239229/most-sold-car-models-worldwide/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/239229/most-sold-car-mod...
  - shakesbeard 2y ago
    Yeah, but that's not a fair comparison. Toyota alone has 40 hybrid models. Tesla has like 4 ... Here's some stats from 2022 and Tesla was 15. in total car sales. [0] [0] https://www.carlogos.org/reviews/worlds-top-selling-automakers.html https://www.carlogos.org/reviews/worlds-top-selling-automake...
- deelowe 2y ago
  Made the headlines last month. Tesla Y was the best selling car worldwide last year. That said, sales have dropped off a cliff going into this year.
  - surgical_fire 2y ago
    Caveats aside - other manufacturers are a lot more segmented in terms of brands/models trying to cover more price points while Tesla has like 5 models - it is still pretty impressive. I wonder if it would perform as well without Chinese EVs being banned on the US (my guess is yes), but that's another story. The fact that sales dropped off a cliff this year is also interesting. What meaningful happened in this period? More competition from other manufacturers in the EV space? Market saturation (the addressable market of people that would buy EVs was already covered)?
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fullshark 2y ago
Yeah a lot of comments here reek of the comments you always see dancing over FB/Google/Whoever's grave.
drawkward 2y ago
Ok, Elon.

jayd16 2y ago

Why do you say the lineup is outdated? The 3 just had a refreshed version and the y is likely to get it soon.

dragontamer 2y ago
The tech sucks. Lack of 360 cameras. Lack of RADAR. Lack of Ultrasonic sensors. Lack of Android Auto/Apple Carplay. Lack of integrated Rearview mirror camera. Lack of Heads-up Display (let alone augmented reality HUDs integrated into the GPS navigation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8tl0KmqaqU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8tl0KmqaqU) That's just the standard tech everyone likes in cars in the year 2024. There's also the lack of physical windshield wiper controls, physical highbeams, or physical climate control buttons. (Everything is tablet-only for the ultimate cheapness / low-end experience). ---------- The funny thing is that we're in a situation where a 2016-era Model 3 has a better driving experience than the refresh. Well, you know, until they software-disabled the Ultrasonics and RADAR units to make the older model worse.
- noncoml 2y ago
  No HUD. Auto sensing wipers that never actually sense when it’s raining. Lack of physical buttons. No way to keep the sun out of the car making it feel like a greenhouse. Much less A/C vents than other cars. Plastic horrible interiors. No road noise isolation. You have to share the only screen with the passenger.
  - MarkMarine 2y ago
    They actually continuously deployed that wiper breaking update. My car in 2019 had wipers that worked. That and the phone key never working, especially when it was raining and I was holding a child and groceries… that was it for me. Traded it in for a gas car. I’m not pumped about oil changes but at least the company won’t be able to remotely deploy bugs to my working car features
  - tzs 2y ago
    > Auto sensing wipers that never actually sense when it’s raining I've never had auto sensing wipers, and am curious. Do they actually make enough of a difference to be worth the added hardware? The manual wipers with controls on one of the steering column stalks in my car are so little effort to use that I usually am not even aware of it. I see rain on the windshield and then I see the wipers deal with it and have to infer that I must have started them because that is much more likely than someone surreptitiously install an after-market automatic wiper system.

ncallaway 2y ago

The more distracted he is by those two, and the more Shotwell is running things, the more optimistic I am about SpaceX’s future. I trust her, and think she’s a capable pair of hands.

ozr 2y ago
She's 60 years old now.
- mempko 2y ago
  So, more mature than Musk?
- ncallaway 2y ago
  What’s the point of this statement? Do you list the age of every person mentioned in online conversations?
  - ozr 2y ago
    > the more Shotwell is running things, the more optimistic I am about SpaceX’s future. Her age is relevant when discussing the future of SpaceX, considering the median retirement age.
    - ncallaway 2y ago
      Sure, by future I meant immediate future, as in the next 0-5 years, not the long term 10+ year future for SpaceX.
marcusverus 2y ago
I recall that she landed some clutch contracts for SpaceX >10 years ago, but I haven't heard much about her since. What has she done that makes you think she's up to running SpaceX?
- xenadu02 2y ago