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This kind of abuse will keep me driving and buying used cars far longer than I would otherwise. That means I'll be driving more with lower emission and safety s

This kind of abuse will keep me driving and buying used cars far longer than I would otherwise. That means I'll be driving more with lower emission and safety standards. For me that's an ugly but good trade to evade making big brother my copilot. I don't know if there are enough like minded drivers to make this a large effect.

mdp2021 3y ago
> I don't know if there are enough like minded drivers to make this a large effect The disaster is that there has been a large enough component of buyers that did not care about the issue, and that had no idea of the possibility of the issue. It created this perverse market together with many others.
- barbariangrunge 3y ago
  It’s not that people don’t care, it’s that they’re helpless
  - olyjohn 3y ago
    No, they also don't care. Talk to most people. They literally don't care and will say things like "Well let them have the data, what will they do with it?" Especially when you save a few bucks with something like a "loyalty card."
czbond 3y ago
See my post in this thread - but research if your desired car can have these modules bypassed with a fuse pull, or wire cut.
AnimalMuppet 3y ago
If one were conspiracy-minded, "Cash for Clunkers" looks a lot more ominous in retrospect...
vannucci 3y ago
I've been doing the same, my next car and hopefully my last will be an old Grand Marquis. I can fix it myself, no tracking, and just goes forever.
- mdp2021 3y ago
  > I can fix it myself If, if this disastrous piece of history ends up well, the reaction to it will be a market that demands repairability, vendor agnostic. Among the circulating information about new vehicles is, for example, that * batteries may tend to drain in days and * a flat battery cannot be simply replaced or restarted: the car must be brought to its manufacturer's service premises. Evident absurdities like this could trigger a reaction, they should wake up people... It could and should make people want to be able to fix their car themselves.
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Finnucane 3y ago
We recent;y let our 1999 Honda go, which we bought used in 2007. Our choice for a replacement was no replacement. We've been able to just go car-free. The current state and expense of car ownership just doesn't provide enough benefit to us to be worth it.
huhuhu111 3y ago
your car must be at least 20 years old then?

mdp2021 3y ago

> I don't know if there are enough like minded drivers to make this a large effect The disaster is that there has been a large enough component of buyers that did not care about the issue, and that had no idea of the possibility of the issue. It created this perverse market together with many others.

barbariangrunge 3y ago
It’s not that people don’t care, it’s that they’re helpless
- olyjohn 3y ago
  No, they also don't care. Talk to most people. They literally don't care and will say things like "Well let them have the data, what will they do with it?" Especially when you save a few bucks with something like a "loyalty card."

czbond 3y ago

See my post in this thread - but research if your desired car can have these modules bypassed with a fuse pull, or wire cut.

AnimalMuppet 3y ago

If one were conspiracy-minded, "Cash for Clunkers" looks a lot more ominous in retrospect...

vannucci 3y ago

I've been doing the same, my next car and hopefully my last will be an old Grand Marquis. I can fix it myself, no tracking, and just goes forever.

mdp2021 3y ago
> I can fix it myself If, if this disastrous piece of history ends up well, the reaction to it will be a market that demands repairability, vendor agnostic. Among the circulating information about new vehicles is, for example, that * batteries may tend to drain in days and * a flat battery cannot be simply replaced or restarted: the car must be brought to its manufacturer's service premises. Evident absurdities like this could trigger a reaction, they should wake up people... It could and should make people want to be able to fix their car themselves.

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Finnucane 3y ago

We recent;y let our 1999 Honda go, which we bought used in 2007. Our choice for a replacement was no replacement. We've been able to just go car-free. The current state and expense of car ownership just doesn't provide enough benefit to us to be worth it.

huhuhu111 3y ago

your car must be at least 20 years old then?