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With all those people who have "range anxiety" and thus avoid buying EV's, this is going to do a good job of selling more Teslas...

alephnerd 2y ago
I've been in the market searching for a car for sometime, and I was about to go with a Tesla, but this layoff pushed me away from the brand. I don't care about Musk's politics (everyone has skeletons in their closet, so idgaf) but I don't have confidence as a customer anymore now that Tesla has truly become erratic recently. The only reason I even seriously considered a Tesla is the supercharger network. I don't want to have a Daewoo Motors 2.0 on my hands.
- boringg 2y ago
  I think you probably need to look closer at the their numbers if you are really trying to claim that it is unstable car company. This comment sounds to me like you are looking for a reason to not get a Tesla because you don't like Musk.
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  - Larrikin 2y ago
    It's a valid reason to not give money to someone you dislike. Tesla is not owed his money because they were first movers in the serious EV market, especially as time goes on and more and more options exist.
    - s1artibartfast 2y ago
      Sure, as I read the parent post, they were just saying you don't have to dress it up and pretend it is a different reason.
      - boringg 2y ago
        You read it right.
    - boringg 2y ago
      I don't disagree with your comment - not liking Elon is a great reason not to buy a Tesla. I think it's a faux moi thing to say you don't want to support Tesla because you were disenfranchised with them because of them laying off the super charger team - that hardly seems like a major enough reason for someone to dislike a car company unless theres a personal connection to that team. To me OP comment sounds like they are using that reason but they really don't like Musk. Just be honest about your position.
- relaxing 2y ago
  “Skeletons in the closet” implies an issue in the distant past.
- panick21_ 2y ago
  > but this layoff pushed me away from the brand. Why? They already have the largest network in the industry. And whatever the news says, they not gone fire everybody involved and stop making more superchargers.
  - alephnerd 2y ago
    > And whatever the news says, they not gone fire everybody involved and stop making more superchargers The entire supercharger division was laid off [0], from the head of the BU (Rebecca Tinucci) to all the ICs. [0] - https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/musk-disbands-tesla-ev-charging-team-leaving-customers-dark-2024-04-30/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/musk-d...
    - panick21_ 2y ago
      > according to two former employees and multiple postings on LinkedIn I have serious question about what 'entire' means here. This is almost certainty a reorganization and not everybody is gone. Manufacturing and maintenance is certainty gone continue. Musk then said: > Musk subsequently said on X that the carmaker still plans to expand the Supercharger network, "just at a slower pace for new locations and more focus on 100% uptime and expansion of existing locations." The reality is, Tesla Superchargers are still far more reliable then the competitors (at least in the US). And its unlikely that these firing will change that balance anytime soon.
      - alephnerd 2y ago
        That's too much risk for me to put on a $50-70k car - that's downpayment money for a condo.
        panick21_ 2y ago
        So you are gone trust the companies that have invested virtually nothing in charging for 10 years instead, and trust them? Seems a bit strange. I'm not saying you should buy a Tesla, but this reason doesn't really add up to me.
- jonny_eh 2y ago
  He's a white supremacist, but I guess nobody's perfect?
  - jdewerd 2y ago
    Ford bought a newspaper to complain about the Jews, and just wait until you hear about the VW guy...
    - octopoc 2y ago
      Ford also wanted to lower consumer prices and raise salaries to help people have easier lives. But that was ruled illegal by our "justice" system, because his primary duty is apparently to shareholders[1]: > The Michigan Supreme Court held that Henry Ford could not lower consumer prices and raise employee salaries. > ...Russell C. Ostrander argued that the profits to the stockholders should be the primary concern for the company directors. Because this company was in business for profit, Ford could not turn it into a charity. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.
      - jonny_eh 2y ago
        So he wasn't a supporter of Nazis? I don't follow.
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- ReptileMan 2y ago
  >I've been in the market searching for a car for sometime, and I was about to go with a Tesla, but this layoff pushed me away from the brand. Depends on the reasons for it. If their performance is low why not lay them off?
  - alephnerd 2y ago
    A BU level layoff is not performance driven. I've done layoffs and this means an attempt at investor relations.
- pensatoio 2y ago
  The supercharger network isn’t shutting down or even shrinking. We don’t really know the reason why this team was fired, but it’s obviously not because the charging network is losing priority. Maybe the team had internal politics or low performance or a myriad of other issues?
  - jdewerd 2y ago
    Rebecca Tinucci started showing up above Elon in listicle popularity contests. Investors loved her, the industry loved her, the media loved her. She wasn't yet a challenger for CEO, but she could have become one if investors soured enough on Elon.
    - whoisthemachine 2y ago
      One can't help but wonder (or personally, hope) if this move sour investors enough on Elon...
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    > it’s obviously not because the charging network is losing priority Why is this obvious? It seem obvious to me that the Twitter acquisition made Tesla as a whole lose priority to some extent.
  - Stranger43 2y ago
    The likely scenario is that the local electrical utilities supplying/servicing the chargers will take over the operation in the shadows until they develop their own brands and change the signage and payment terminals. The Immediate effect is likely going to be that the prices are going to be readjusted to make sure the network makes money for the owners without Tesla funneling investment capital(they likely cant raise anymore) into the network.

alephnerd 2y ago

I've been in the market searching for a car for sometime, and I was about to go with a Tesla, but this layoff pushed me away from the brand. I don't care about Musk's politics (everyone has skeletons in their closet, so idgaf) but I don't have confidence as a customer anymore now that Tesla has truly become erratic recently. The only reason I even seriously considered a Tesla is the supercharger network. I don't want to have a Daewoo Motors 2.0 on my hands.

boringg 2y ago
I think you probably need to look closer at the their numbers if you are really trying to claim that it is unstable car company. This comment sounds to me like you are looking for a reason to not get a Tesla because you don't like Musk.
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- Larrikin 2y ago
  It's a valid reason to not give money to someone you dislike. Tesla is not owed his money because they were first movers in the serious EV market, especially as time goes on and more and more options exist.
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    Sure, as I read the parent post, they were just saying you don't have to dress it up and pretend it is a different reason.
    - boringg 2y ago
      You read it right.
  - boringg 2y ago
    I don't disagree with your comment - not liking Elon is a great reason not to buy a Tesla. I think it's a faux moi thing to say you don't want to support Tesla because you were disenfranchised with them because of them laying off the super charger team - that hardly seems like a major enough reason for someone to dislike a car company unless theres a personal connection to that team. To me OP comment sounds like they are using that reason but they really don't like Musk. Just be honest about your position.
relaxing 2y ago
“Skeletons in the closet” implies an issue in the distant past.
panick21_ 2y ago
> but this layoff pushed me away from the brand. Why? They already have the largest network in the industry. And whatever the news says, they not gone fire everybody involved and stop making more superchargers.
- alephnerd 2y ago
  > And whatever the news says, they not gone fire everybody involved and stop making more superchargers The entire supercharger division was laid off [0], from the head of the BU (Rebecca Tinucci) to all the ICs. [0] - https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/musk-disbands-tesla-ev-charging-team-leaving-customers-dark-2024-04-30/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/musk-d...
  - panick21_ 2y ago
    > according to two former employees and multiple postings on LinkedIn I have serious question about what 'entire' means here. This is almost certainty a reorganization and not everybody is gone. Manufacturing and maintenance is certainty gone continue. Musk then said: > Musk subsequently said on X that the carmaker still plans to expand the Supercharger network, "just at a slower pace for new locations and more focus on 100% uptime and expansion of existing locations." The reality is, Tesla Superchargers are still far more reliable then the competitors (at least in the US). And its unlikely that these firing will change that balance anytime soon.
    - alephnerd 2y ago
      That's too much risk for me to put on a $50-70k car - that's downpayment money for a condo.
      - panick21_ 2y ago
        So you are gone trust the companies that have invested virtually nothing in charging for 10 years instead, and trust them? Seems a bit strange. I'm not saying you should buy a Tesla, but this reason doesn't really add up to me.
jonny_eh 2y ago
He's a white supremacist, but I guess nobody's perfect?
- jdewerd 2y ago
  Ford bought a newspaper to complain about the Jews, and just wait until you hear about the VW guy...
  - octopoc 2y ago
    Ford also wanted to lower consumer prices and raise salaries to help people have easier lives. But that was ruled illegal by our "justice" system, because his primary duty is apparently to shareholders[1]: > The Michigan Supreme Court held that Henry Ford could not lower consumer prices and raise employee salaries. > ...Russell C. Ostrander argued that the profits to the stockholders should be the primary concern for the company directors. Because this company was in business for profit, Ford could not turn it into a charity. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.
    - jonny_eh 2y ago
      So he wasn't a supporter of Nazis? I don't follow.
- ReptileMan 2y ago
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ReptileMan 2y ago
>I've been in the market searching for a car for sometime, and I was about to go with a Tesla, but this layoff pushed me away from the brand. Depends on the reasons for it. If their performance is low why not lay them off?
- alephnerd 2y ago
  A BU level layoff is not performance driven. I've done layoffs and this means an attempt at investor relations.
pensatoio 2y ago
The supercharger network isn’t shutting down or even shrinking. We don’t really know the reason why this team was fired, but it’s obviously not because the charging network is losing priority. Maybe the team had internal politics or low performance or a myriad of other issues?
- jdewerd 2y ago
  Rebecca Tinucci started showing up above Elon in listicle popularity contests. Investors loved her, the industry loved her, the media loved her. She wasn't yet a challenger for CEO, but she could have become one if investors soured enough on Elon.
  - whoisthemachine 2y ago
    One can't help but wonder (or personally, hope) if this move sour investors enough on Elon...
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  > it’s obviously not because the charging network is losing priority Why is this obvious? It seem obvious to me that the Twitter acquisition made Tesla as a whole lose priority to some extent.
- Stranger43 2y ago
  The likely scenario is that the local electrical utilities supplying/servicing the chargers will take over the operation in the shadows until they develop their own brands and change the signage and payment terminals. The Immediate effect is likely going to be that the prices are going to be readjusted to make sure the network makes money for the owners without Tesla funneling investment capital(they likely cant raise anymore) into the network.