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People like you, is why Europe passed on global leadership to the USA. Ukraine can be burning on your front door, and you still think EU is safe. Guess what, E
by anonylizard 2y ago
People like you, is why Europe passed on global leadership to the USA.
Ukraine can be burning on your front door, and you still think EU is safe. Guess what, EU is safe only because of NATO. Russia has attacked basically every neighboring country in Europe that is not in NATO.
Nukes don't work against salami slicing. Russia takes Estonia tomorrow, are you going to throw a nuke against Russia? No, you'll won't risk annihilation for Estonia, so you'll ignore it. So the next day Russia takes Latvia. And so on so forth. The only way of fighting salami slicing is applying proportional response, which requires a conventional army.
Also, Ukraine living standards isn't very high right now, regardless what their PPP is, and getting conquered by Russia, means you get used as battle-slaved for the next conquest. This snowball tactic was innovated by the Mongols, using the conquered people as cannon fodder for the next war.
- pixl97 2y agoYes Minister had 'funny' skit back in the day about Salami Tactics demonstrating this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg-UqIIvang https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg-UqIIvang
- mik1998 2y ago> Russia has attacked basically every neighboring country in Europe that is not in NATO. What are you talking about? Russia hasn't invaded anyone in Europe except Ukraine since WW2
- adrian_b 2y agoHungary and Czechoslovakia have been invaded once more by Russia decades after the WW2 invasion (1956 & 1968), even if you do not count the Caucasian countries as European. Before that, there were threats to invade Tito's Yugoslavia, but those have been not accomplished.
- dralley 2y agoHungary, Czechoslovakia, Moldova, Ukraine, arguably Belarus in 2020. Plus an attempted coup in Montenegro.
- racional 2y agoWhat others said + East Germany in 1953 + the threats to Poland in 1980. The photos from the former, in particular, are practically iconic. How is it possible to miss this history?
- brabel 2y ago> Russia has attacked basically every neighboring country in Europe that is not in NATO. That's not true, Russia has participated or initiated the following wars in the greater European area (i.e. excluding Syria for example, but including the Caucasus) after the USSR collapsed: * Georgia (a couple of times) * South Ossetia * Abhkazia * Transnitria (part of Moldova) * Chechnya (also a couple of times) * Dagestan * Ukraine Mostly,these were local conflicts inherited from the USSR or border region disputes, not country invasions like in Ukraine. Russia did not invade, or threaten to invade, any of its main European neighbours: * Finland (which only became NATO last year) * Norway and the Baltic states (members of NATO) * Azerbajan * Turkey (border by sea) A lot of bad things are happening already, no need to make things up.
- dralley 2y agoBelarus is defacto under occupation ever since 2020. In any case, OP said "basically every neighbor" and you're doing a victory lap because only about half of their neighbors have been invaded.
- brabel 2y agoBelarus is the closest ally of Russia and has a defense pact with them. Saying Belarus is under Russian occupation is like saying NATO countries are under USA occupation because it keeps bases and bombs there.
- dralley 2y agoRarely do "defense pacts" include the staging of offensive invasions from the territory of your allies. Or stealing every piece of military equipment that isn't nailed down for use in an offensive war in which the allied nation isn't a party to.
- BlueTemplar 2y agoA large part of NATO's deterrence is the same kind of "we promise to nuke Russia if they invade Estonia". And obviously, without NATO, a EU defense force would quickly spring up (including possibly the UK), and more money would be put into all kinds of weapons.
- FpUser 2y ago>"People like you, is why Europe passed on global leadership to the USA." Forget to take your meds?