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I don't see how that relates to my point. My point is that repercussions are happening to one side of the issue: those opposing genocide and apartheid. Two thin

• gedy 2y ago
  Just pointing out your arguments could be applied to any war, e.g. Japan and USA in WW2: Japan lost magnitudes more people than the US, though it's really hard to sell that the US was committing genocide, especially given how aggressive and nasty Japan was when given free reign. Lots of parallels here.
• lupire 2y ago
  How is it a genocide if the victims have a larger population in the same location than when it started? Not every bad thing or territorial war, even of conquest, is a genocide.
  • runarberg 2y ago
    It is outlined in an 85 page filing to the ICJ—the world highest court—how this is a genocide. Your rebuttal is not a rebuttal, nobody is claiming that “every bad thing or territorial war, even of conquest, is a genocide”. People are claiming, and are being backed in said claim by several governments, international organization, the UN, and the world court, that this particular thing is a genocide.
    • siva7 2y ago
      Source? Not saying that you're fabricating bullshit but let's see.
      • runarberg 2y ago
        This is one of the things that is easy to fact check. Usually you provide a source when you are making a specific claim based on an event or research e.g. “somebody said this” - “here is a link to the quote”, or “research has shown” - ”here is a link research”. However I made a general claim about a well documented subject. But very well, I made the claim, so it is up to me to prove it. I cited an 85 page filing at the ICJ, and claimed that several governments, international organization, the UN, and the World Court has claimed this particular thing is a genocide. If you google “Gaza genocide” you will find all these claims in the first page of results. You may even find the 85 page filing (but in case you don’t, here is a link[1]). There is a whole Wikipedia article dedicated to this subject[2], my claims can all be found there, particularly in the section titled: Statements by political organisations and governments. Finally, if you still in doubt, I’ll give you one more source, in particular where the UN is claiming that: “there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating Israel’s commission of genocide is met” can be found in a report by the UN special rapporteur on the situation in Palestine[3]. 1: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240111-ora-01-00-bi.pdf https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192... 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_in_the_2023_Israeli_attack_on_Gaza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_in_the... 3: https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session55/advance-versions/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies...
• racional 2y ago
  Any Palestinians living in Israel have essentially no political rights Simply false, and in fact rather insulting to the large numbers of non-Jewish citizens of Israel who do chose to participate in the political process. Also you seem confused about the restrictions that apply to Palestinians in the OT versus those living in Israel proper. This kind of muddled reasoning is definitely not helpful to understanding the plight of these people who so you are supposedly so concerned about and empathic towards.