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I would imagine that Europe's biggest problem is that most of its smartest people tend to work in the US or for US companies or universities.

aantix 2y ago
Apparently most jobs in the Germany are salary capped? We hosted a German foreign exchange student. His dad was an anesthesiologist. He said the hospital told him “here’s what you’ll be making”. No negotiation. No competing offers. Why would harder or go out of your way to contribute to your industry if your salary is going to be artificially capped?
- littlestymaar 2y ago
  > Why would harder or go out of your way to contribute to your industry if your salary is going to be artificially capped Because most people do don't do their job well to get paid better? In fact, monetary incentive are one of the least efficient way to motivate workers once they are past subsistence level. (Sure you can make sure that everyone starts their work life with a six digit credit for their studies and then need to take another, even bigger, one for housing so that they can never go past subsistence level, but that's no a recipe for healthy society… And that's not how the US worked in its golden age either).
  - aantix 2y ago
    So you’ll make that decision on my behalf, that any sort of upward mobility wouldn’t motivate or benfit me. Gaslighting.
- barrenko 2y ago
  Even worse is when there is a negotiating process (as everything is copied from the US), but there's no actual negotiation on your part expected.
- I_o_IllI__o_I 2y ago
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- lostlogin 2y ago
  > He said the hospital told him “here’s what you’ll be making”. This is standard in many hospital systems. If there are several hundred people in the same role, having the same contract for all of them has advantages on both sides. It will also have downsides. You aren’t going to get a competing offer from the same employer, they’d need to apply to a different one.
keybored 2y ago
A message board united by technology and IQ-identification would be likely to think that.
yokoprime 2y ago
Not really. The usual path I’ve personally seen _many_ of my peers go down is: 1. Study in the US or move to the US after completed studies. 2. work in the US for 3-10 years 3. Move home when they have kids I’ve seen this over and over. You get to a phase in life where you conclude you have been getting while the getting was good and other factors are more important
- ralusek 2y ago
  They also often gave while the giving was good

aantix 2y ago

Apparently most jobs in the Germany are salary capped? We hosted a German foreign exchange student. His dad was an anesthesiologist. He said the hospital told him “here’s what you’ll be making”. No negotiation. No competing offers. Why would harder or go out of your way to contribute to your industry if your salary is going to be artificially capped?

littlestymaar 2y ago
> Why would harder or go out of your way to contribute to your industry if your salary is going to be artificially capped Because most people do don't do their job well to get paid better? In fact, monetary incentive are one of the least efficient way to motivate workers once they are past subsistence level. (Sure you can make sure that everyone starts their work life with a six digit credit for their studies and then need to take another, even bigger, one for housing so that they can never go past subsistence level, but that's no a recipe for healthy society… And that's not how the US worked in its golden age either).
- aantix 2y ago
  So you’ll make that decision on my behalf, that any sort of upward mobility wouldn’t motivate or benfit me. Gaslighting.
barrenko 2y ago
Even worse is when there is a negotiating process (as everything is copied from the US), but there's no actual negotiation on your part expected.
I_o_IllI__o_I 2y ago
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lostlogin 2y ago
> He said the hospital told him “here’s what you’ll be making”. This is standard in many hospital systems. If there are several hundred people in the same role, having the same contract for all of them has advantages on both sides. It will also have downsides. You aren’t going to get a competing offer from the same employer, they’d need to apply to a different one.

keybored 2y ago

A message board united by technology and IQ-identification would be likely to think that.

yokoprime 2y ago

Not really. The usual path I’ve personally seen _many_ of my peers go down is: 1. Study in the US or move to the US after completed studies. 2. work in the US for 3-10 years 3. Move home when they have kids I’ve seen this over and over. You get to a phase in life where you conclude you have been getting while the getting was good and other factors are more important

ralusek 2y ago
They also often gave while the giving was good