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You forgot this one: https://github.com/NixOS/moderation/commit/e9d67b7efa03e6e9bc0bf2d03c6344d60c103395 https://github.com/NixOS/moderation/commit/e9d67b7efa03

by _cenw 2y ago

You forgot this one: https://github.com/NixOS/moderation/commit/e9d67b7efa03e6e9bc0bf2d03c6344d60c103395 https://github.com/NixOS/moderation/commit/e9d67b7efa03e6e9b...

anonfordays 2y ago
That thread just makes me believe srid even more. Salient point here: "Evidently, Srid's concerns and values, as well as the recommendations and compromises he proposed in response to the charges, were casually dismissed, while other members' concerns and values, as well as their calls for his punishment and sanction, were disproportionately elevated. And that's unfortunate."
- _cenw 2y ago
  I'm not sure what there is to believe. Srid started relitigating his impending suspension over the moderation teams head when it became clear that his values do not align with the moderators (or, if I can say that, most decent people that don't see left-wing conspiracies everywhere, casually go on about gender ideology destroying the west and perpetuate covid denial - so also likely the modified CoC of Nix). That is the worst way to go about challenging authority you don't like if you don't want bridges to burn.
  - anonfordays 2y ago
    >Srid started relitigating his impending suspension over the moderation teams head I haven't been closely monitoring the various NixOS spaces, but this seems nebulous. >it became clear that his values do not align with the moderators Nor should there be a requirement that they do. If you want an inclusive environment, you're going to have members with different values. >(or, if I can say that, most decent people that don't see left-wing conspiracies everywhere, casually go on about gender ideology destroying the west and perpetuate covid denial - so also likely the modified CoC of Nix) (or, if I can say that, most decent people that don't see right-wing conspiracies everywhere, casually go on about Christo-fascism destroying the west and perpetuate biological denial - so also likely the modified CoC of Nix) See what I did there? You don't get to define your political ideals as the ones "decent people" align with. All sides believe they're moral.
    - _cenw 2y ago
      It's in the thread I linked, the very post you quoted. He started a poll to ask if he should be banned over him posting the "unwoke" page of his digital garden, when the stipulation he already preliminarily agreed to was to not bring it up in Nix spaces. An organization that allows for persistent relitigating and rules-lawyering can't have effective moderation (they're not countries after all), do I don't know what you think the alternative is. And now the same people that want (impossibly) apolitical spaces want this guy to also be able to post this very political rant that you've probably heard before somewhere in some form, that everyone else is endlessly tired of. https://srid.ca/unwoke https://srid.ca/unwoke - in case you are missing more context.
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      - anonfordays 2y ago
        >It's in the thread I linked, the very post you quoted. He started a poll to ask if he should be banned over him posting the "unwoke" page Except he didn't post it, he had it in his profile. This is a key distinction. >And now the same people that want (impossibly) apolitical spaces It's not impossible, it's something we had before the rise of Newchurch [0], and it's something mission driven communities are moving towards. >want this guy to also be able to post this very political rant that you've probably heard before somewhere in some form, that everyone else is endlessly tired of. I agree in general people are endlessly tired of "politics" that are orthogonal to the mission at hand. No one is asking for what you just claimed. >https://srid.ca/unwoke https://srid.ca/unwoke - in case you are missing more context. Nothing there is alarming, it's pretty benign and aligns with the direction of many leaders in the industry [1]. [0] https://www.devever.net/~hl/newchurch https://www.devever.net/~hl/newchurch [1] https://fortune.com/2024/04/22/sundar-pichai-google-staff-no-political-debates-office-firing-28-employees-israeli-contract-protest/ https://fortune.com/2024/04/22/sundar-pichai-google-staff-no...
        Macha 2y ago
        > ultimately we are a workplace and our policies and expectations are clear: this is a business, and not a place to act in a way that disrupts coworkers or makes them feel unsafe, to attempt to use the company as a personal platform, or to fight over disruptive issues or debate politics.” I suspect Google would cite the same policy this manifesto cites as evidence of it's support as a reason to remove/sanction people posting this manifesto to company resources. That Google is an obvious hypocrite over Israel's behaviour doesn't seem to me indicative that they've totally flipped on every other issue, or that things this manifesto considers political would be considered political inside Google.
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by _cenw 2y ago

You forgot this one: https://github.com/NixOS/moderation/commit/e9d67b7efa03e6e9bc0bf2d03c6344d60c103395 https://github.com/NixOS/moderation/commit/e9d67b7efa03e6e9b...

anonfordays 2y ago

That thread just makes me believe srid even more. Salient point here: "Evidently, Srid's concerns and values, as well as the recommendations and compromises he proposed in response to the charges, were casually dismissed, while other members' concerns and values, as well as their calls for his punishment and sanction, were disproportionately elevated. And that's unfortunate."

_cenw 2y ago
I'm not sure what there is to believe. Srid started relitigating his impending suspension over the moderation teams head when it became clear that his values do not align with the moderators (or, if I can say that, most decent people that don't see left-wing conspiracies everywhere, casually go on about gender ideology destroying the west and perpetuate covid denial - so also likely the modified CoC of Nix). That is the worst way to go about challenging authority you don't like if you don't want bridges to burn.
- anonfordays 2y ago
  >Srid started relitigating his impending suspension over the moderation teams head I haven't been closely monitoring the various NixOS spaces, but this seems nebulous. >it became clear that his values do not align with the moderators Nor should there be a requirement that they do. If you want an inclusive environment, you're going to have members with different values. >(or, if I can say that, most decent people that don't see left-wing conspiracies everywhere, casually go on about gender ideology destroying the west and perpetuate covid denial - so also likely the modified CoC of Nix) (or, if I can say that, most decent people that don't see right-wing conspiracies everywhere, casually go on about Christo-fascism destroying the west and perpetuate biological denial - so also likely the modified CoC of Nix) See what I did there? You don't get to define your political ideals as the ones "decent people" align with. All sides believe they're moral.
  - _cenw 2y ago
    It's in the thread I linked, the very post you quoted. He started a poll to ask if he should be banned over him posting the "unwoke" page of his digital garden, when the stipulation he already preliminarily agreed to was to not bring it up in Nix spaces. An organization that allows for persistent relitigating and rules-lawyering can't have effective moderation (they're not countries after all), do I don't know what you think the alternative is. And now the same people that want (impossibly) apolitical spaces want this guy to also be able to post this very political rant that you've probably heard before somewhere in some form, that everyone else is endlessly tired of. https://srid.ca/unwoke https://srid.ca/unwoke - in case you are missing more context.
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    - anonfordays 2y ago
      >It's in the thread I linked, the very post you quoted. He started a poll to ask if he should be banned over him posting the "unwoke" page Except he didn't post it, he had it in his profile. This is a key distinction. >And now the same people that want (impossibly) apolitical spaces It's not impossible, it's something we had before the rise of Newchurch [0], and it's something mission driven communities are moving towards. >want this guy to also be able to post this very political rant that you've probably heard before somewhere in some form, that everyone else is endlessly tired of. I agree in general people are endlessly tired of "politics" that are orthogonal to the mission at hand. No one is asking for what you just claimed. >https://srid.ca/unwoke https://srid.ca/unwoke - in case you are missing more context. Nothing there is alarming, it's pretty benign and aligns with the direction of many leaders in the industry [1]. [0] https://www.devever.net/~hl/newchurch https://www.devever.net/~hl/newchurch [1] https://fortune.com/2024/04/22/sundar-pichai-google-staff-no-political-debates-office-firing-28-employees-israeli-contract-protest/ https://fortune.com/2024/04/22/sundar-pichai-google-staff-no...
      - Macha 2y ago
        > ultimately we are a workplace and our policies and expectations are clear: this is a business, and not a place to act in a way that disrupts coworkers or makes them feel unsafe, to attempt to use the company as a personal platform, or to fight over disruptive issues or debate politics.” I suspect Google would cite the same policy this manifesto cites as evidence of it's support as a reason to remove/sanction people posting this manifesto to company resources. That Google is an obvious hypocrite over Israel's behaviour doesn't seem to me indicative that they've totally flipped on every other issue, or that things this manifesto considers political would be considered political inside Google.
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