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In the article, the author writes: > Why devote this kind of energy to the creation of wildly imaginative and highly emotional nocturnal experiences for an aud
by FailMore 2y ago
In the article, the author writes:
> Why devote this kind of energy to the creation of wildly imaginative and highly emotional nocturnal experiences for an audience of one?
I think that this is a mistake. The audience size is greater than one.
The author also writes that dreams “[give] us outrageous scenarios so we can better understand the everyday, serving as an overnight therapist”. I believe this is a multiplayer game.
I am a psychotherapist (in training). When people report their dreams, they normally do not mention their own behaviour. However, when their behaviour is investigated it often looks odd given the “outrageous scenario” they are in. More specifically, the behaviour often reveals clear displays of their unconscious interpersonal anxieties that their waking symptomology only opaquely reveals. An example, might be someone who is “shy” when awake behaving in an outrageously passive way, when in a confrontation; a confrontation that their waking shyness - which might include symptoms which mean they avoid contact with others - would have meant that they would not have had. It is no surprise that people do not typically report their own behaviour within dreams, as that is the nature of unconscious beliefs - we think they are unremarkable and true. Often an outsider is required to notice that the behaviour is unusual given the “outrageous situation” - often the role of a therapist (who shares this theory on dreams).
In the paper linked below, I outline many examples of this, and discuss the surprisingly specific supporting neurology:
https://osf.io/preprints/psyarxiv/k6trz https://osf.io/preprints/psyarxiv/k6trz
This paper was discussed on Hacker News previously. The link to that discussion is:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19143590 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19143590
- FailMore 2y agoI also agree with those who say that sleep has multiple purposes. REM sleep typically starts four hours into a sleep cycle, after the “deep cleaning” work seems to be done. This would suggest that the brain is prioritising its basic functioning over the discovery of unconscious patterns, which is, I believe, a sensible trade-off. It is not imperative that we spot our unconscious patterns, though in the long run, it can make a big difference to our lives.
- tuumi 2y agoREM sleep takes place much sooner than 4 hours. It takes place at about 90 minutes of sleep. And, hopefully, the sleeper goes through several cycles throughout the night. I would be screwed if it took that long to get to REM as I wake up 4-5 times a night.
- FailMore 2y agoSorry, you are correct. However when it first takes place, when there is more “deep sleep” work to be done, it is very brief, and becomes the more dominant aspect of sleep after that work has been done: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Sleep_Hypnogram.svg/391px-Sleep_Hypnogram.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Sl...
- cookiengineer 2y agoWhat I liked about the whole lucid dreaming scene is that they already figured this out, but are using different terminology to describe it. You are exhausted, not relaxed, after a lucid dream. And you always need a second sleep session with REM sleep after that. But you make a lot of progress on internal reflections, because your subconciousness fills in the emotional blind spots your alter ego cannot grasp (yet). I think that's why a lot of people in lucid dreams can relate so much with the 2 systems theory of Daniel Kaneman, and why there's so much debate about it.