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Unfortunately different people often want different things.
by p1esk 2y ago
Unfortunately different people often want different things.
- m463 2y agoDoesn't everyone want freedom, justice, fairness, etc. (unfortunately everyone doesn't agree on the definition of these terms) (also: "But apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?")
- portaouflop 2y agoRomans have enslaved our children, raped our wives, desecrated our holy places and burned our priests. They razed our villages, slaughtered our herds, and forced our young men into their military service. So glad that they brought us civilisation!
- iancmceachern 2y agoFree will is fortunate, not unfortunate
- drusepth 2y agoInterestingly, different people often want different things (including free will and a lack of free will).
- iancmceachern 2y agoIsn't the lack of free will also the lack of consciousness?
- ben_w 2y ago"Free will" and "consciousness" are poorly defined, as each means different things to different people. I can't remember if it was Frederick Nitzsche or Alistair Crowley who said there's only one thing you can do which is truly your own will; that definition seems to me inherently deterministic in a way which violates other people's ideas of free will. I've seen (and been confused by) a Young Earth creationist fundamentalist Baptist, who cleaned not to believe in evolution "because [he] believed in free will". "Consciousness" apparently has around 40 definitions.
- iancmceachern 2y ago>"Consciousness" apparently has around 40 definitions Yes but only one that applies here. From oxfords: "Internal knowledge or conviction; the state or fact of being mentally conscious or aware of something." I disagree, I think they're both very clearly defined. Both in the clinical and law sense.
- ben_w 2y agoI don't see how that helps. I am deeply confused by much of BDSM, but I am aware that some people report enjoying the experience of not having any control, of their ability to choose being taken away from them. Can you also give an example of what you mean by "free will" such that your chosen definition does help?
- iancmceachern 2y agoTo me, the idea of knowing that I exist and that I can do things with that existence, is free will. I dont see how I could exist, knowing that I can do things, without doing things. Hence they are inextricably tied, to me.
- starspangled 2y agoYes they do, for example lobbyists and donors and buddies want to get rich at the expense of the country and its people, and the common plebs don't want that.
- p1esk 2y agoCommon plebs also include different people.
- starspangled 2y agoGood Lord, when did this happen?