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Aside from "not ancient" Java has everything you want! I'd consider the best tooling (Intellij), static, strongly typed, has enums now (sealed interfaces), comp

by rendaw 2y ago

Aside from "not ancient" Java has everything you want! I'd consider the best tooling (Intellij), static, strongly typed, has enums now (sealed interfaces), composeable error handling, null safety with new module flags, etc. Not sure about the community, but the maintainers I've worked with seemed nice enough. I imagine the community has a lot less ego than rust/go due to the general perception of the language.

4star3star 2y ago
What does Java offer that dotnet does not?
- mdaniel 2y ago
  libraries, and I thank God I don't have to work on Windows and thus don't know how smart Visual Studio Enterprise is, but IJ is world class in the number of bugs it'll catch
  - paddim8 2y ago
    What? You don't have to work on Windows with .net either and there is an IntelliJ IDE for C#.
    - mdaniel 2y ago
      Apologies, I meant to draw the Windows distinction due to VS Enterprise, since I doubt very seriously VSE runs elsewhere (I'm aware of 2022 for Mac but it doesn't cite its "feature level"). Since I'm not a .NET-er, nor a VS-er, I can't say how smart their top-tier IDE is with their in-house language in order to have an apples-to-apples bake-off
tomjen3 2y ago
I would argue that .NET is better than Java, unless Java has gotten something like Linq since last I used it (which is entirely) possible. For those who do not know: .NET is cross platform, MS has official documentation on how to deploy it in Docker, and it is MIT licensed. And if you want to deploy a backend for your webapp the tersenes can now rival Flask - plus the compiler can cross compile it to any supported platform, even in a form that works without .NET installed. And of course it has Jetbrains support through Rider.
- fire_lake 2y ago
  Poor F# always had the most terse web server but no one ever noticed!
neonsunset 2y ago
C# is much better at doing systems-programming adjacent tasks than either Java or Go, as it actually exposes all the necessary features for this: C structs, actual, proper generics, fast FFI, etc.

by rendaw 2y ago

4star3star 2y ago

What does Java offer that dotnet does not?

mdaniel 2y ago
libraries, and I thank God I don't have to work on Windows and thus don't know how smart Visual Studio Enterprise is, but IJ is world class in the number of bugs it'll catch
- paddim8 2y ago
  What? You don't have to work on Windows with .net either and there is an IntelliJ IDE for C#.
  - mdaniel 2y ago
    Apologies, I meant to draw the Windows distinction due to VS Enterprise, since I doubt very seriously VSE runs elsewhere (I'm aware of 2022 for Mac but it doesn't cite its "feature level"). Since I'm not a .NET-er, nor a VS-er, I can't say how smart their top-tier IDE is with their in-house language in order to have an apples-to-apples bake-off

tomjen3 2y ago

I would argue that .NET is better than Java, unless Java has gotten something like Linq since last I used it (which is entirely) possible. For those who do not know: .NET is cross platform, MS has official documentation on how to deploy it in Docker, and it is MIT licensed. And if you want to deploy a backend for your webapp the tersenes can now rival Flask - plus the compiler can cross compile it to any supported platform, even in a form that works without .NET installed. And of course it has Jetbrains support through Rider.

fire_lake 2y ago
Poor F# always had the most terse web server but no one ever noticed!

neonsunset 2y ago

C# is much better at doing systems-programming adjacent tasks than either Java or Go, as it actually exposes all the necessary features for this: C structs, actual, proper generics, fast FFI, etc.