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Functional turnstiles seem like a much more robust and effective solution without false positive issues and can’t be that expensive.
by Retric 3y ago
Functional turnstiles seem like a much more robust and effective solution without false positive issues and can’t be that expensive.
- consumer451 3y agoAlso, one would have to assume that this function would be contracted out to a private party, which would sell the geolocation data of millions, or at least "share it with partners," because there is no US law against that.
- elijaht 3y agoDoes the NYC subway not have turnstiles?
- georgyo 3y agoWe do, they are easily hopped over. More recently people have discovered that if you pull the turnstile backwards a half turn you can squeeze by with very little effort.
- Retric 3y agoIn other words NYC doesn’t have working turnstiles.
- LeafItAlone 3y ago> More recently people have discovered that if you pull the turnstile backwards a half turn you can squeeze by with very little effort. This has been going on forever…
- couchand 3y agoTurnstiles are a barbaric solution to a non problem. People need to get around. Taking mass transit is the best way for humanity for them to get there. Therefore, the fare should be zero. Even if we feel a fare is needed, plenty of places operate with civilized proof-of-payment systems.
- vel0city 3y agoCivilized solutions work in a civilized world.
- aaomidi 3y agoThe civilized solution is making it free and paying for it from taxing the companies and stores that benefit from it(practically all of them).
- wilg 3y ago13% of subway riders and 45% of bus riders don't pay the fare. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-31/nyc-s-transit-chief-says-fare-evasion-an-existential-threat https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-31/nyc-s-tra... Also, turnstiles are not barbaric, what are you talking about? Also since when is the rule that "the 'best' way has to be free"?
- elthran 3y agoLondoner here - with our fare evasion stats at this link https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-information/foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-2734-1920 https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-informa... None of the articles I've seen ever seen to address why NYC has such a high rate of fare evasion. Is it just an ingrained "cultural" thing now? You could definitely jump over the TfL barriers if you wanted to, but no one does
- wilg 3y agoA very good question! No clue. I do see weirdos on Twitter defending it for dumb reasons, but that can't account for it all.