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Well that’s unfortunate. Fare evasion should be punished, and facial recognition seems like a fairly efficient way to implement it.
by infotainment 2y ago
Well that’s unfortunate. Fare evasion should be punished, and facial recognition seems like a fairly efficient way to implement it.
- Retric 2y agoFunctional turnstiles seem like a much more robust and effective solution without false positive issues and can’t be that expensive.
- consumer451 2y agoAlso, one would have to assume that this function would be contracted out to a private party, which would sell the geolocation data of millions, or at least "share it with partners," because there is no US law against that.
- elijaht 2y agoDoes the NYC subway not have turnstiles?
- georgyo 2y agoWe do, they are easily hopped over. More recently people have discovered that if you pull the turnstile backwards a half turn you can squeeze by with very little effort.
- Retric 2y agoIn other words NYC doesn’t have working turnstiles.
- LeafItAlone 2y ago> More recently people have discovered that if you pull the turnstile backwards a half turn you can squeeze by with very little effort. This has been going on forever…
- couchand 2y agoTurnstiles are a barbaric solution to a non problem. People need to get around. Taking mass transit is the best way for humanity for them to get there. Therefore, the fare should be zero. Even if we feel a fare is needed, plenty of places operate with civilized proof-of-payment systems.
- vel0city 2y agoCivilized solutions work in a civilized world.
- aaomidi 2y agoThe civilized solution is making it free and paying for it from taxing the companies and stores that benefit from it(practically all of them).
- wilg 2y ago13% of subway riders and 45% of bus riders don't pay the fare. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-31/nyc-s-transit-chief-says-fare-evasion-an-existential-threat https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-31/nyc-s-tra... Also, turnstiles are not barbaric, what are you talking about? Also since when is the rule that "the 'best' way has to be free"?
- elthran 2y agoLondoner here - with our fare evasion stats at this link https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-information/foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-2734-1920 https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-informa... None of the articles I've seen ever seen to address why NYC has such a high rate of fare evasion. Is it just an ingrained "cultural" thing now? You could definitely jump over the TfL barriers if you wanted to, but no one does
- wilg 2y agoA very good question! No clue. I do see weirdos on Twitter defending it for dumb reasons, but that can't account for it all.
- Terr_ 2y ago> facial recognition seems like a fairly efficient way I feel this is extraordinary dependent on how you measure "efficient" and how many false-positives or false-negatives are too many. (Also the fun problems where it's wrong way more often for certain groups of people.) If the metric is solely "maximize the percentage of evaders who are punished", then the most "efficient" solution is to indiscriminately fine every single person. :p
- racional 2y agoIt is if your idea of an "efficient" system is one with baked-in discrimination and lots of false positives. Targeting, not so coincidentally, folks in lower income brackets.
- Aunche 2y agoI don't understand why officers can't enforce fare evasion in NYC like they do in every other country.
- koolba 2y agoBecause the city officials don’t want to draw attention to the racial demographics of fare evaders. If they actually arrest them, then there would be official numbers that align with the anecdata that anyone who has ridden that system is already familiar with.