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You can read this into anything. > - "from the river to the sea" -> implies the destruction of Israel The Israeli vs. Palestinian conflict is, for the Palesti

You can read this into anything. > - "from the river to the sea" -> implies the destruction of Israel The Israeli vs. Palestinian conflict is, for the Palestinians, about property rights. And both sides claim the full area between the Jordan river to the Sea. Plenty of groups say the same thing, whether it's the Chinese view on Taiwan ("one China!") or the ISIS view on the Middle East (and half of Europe and Asia..) being "one Ummah" and nobody calls it racist. The funny part with that is that it's literally just a pun on the original Israeli Likud party slogan of "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty"[0]. The other day Netanyahu said the same thing with "West of the Jordan river."[1] Is that whatever the Palestinian equivalent of antisemitism is? > - "keep the world clean" -> seems to imply some sort of "cleansing" of Jews All the examples I've seen (as stupid as the phrase is, people seem to copy it as if it's witty) have included the Israeli flag. There are plenty of people that roast Turks and Turkey, but the addition of the crescent moon on their flag doesn't turn into a roast on all of Islam. Israel has intentionally conflated being anti-Jewish with being anti-Israeli so that you can't target the latter, but somehow also rides the wave of Israeli actions can't be attributed to Jews in general. It's a strange take but if anything has led to a rise in actual antisemitism (as in the anti-Jewish variety) it has been that intentional muddying of the waters. This also isn't to take away from your main point that there is plenty of real antisemitism out there. I'm sure there is, and it's probably underreported if anything. But the majority of the examples given by pro-Israeli groups (chosen only because they're most visible) are not it. [0] https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgdFOIiRpr0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgdFOIiRpr0

zeroonetwothree 2y ago
I wouldn’t say it’s “Israel” doing this, it’s a belief shared by many (of course not all!) Jews. When your entire ethnic group has only a single tiny country in the entire world that it can call home you tend to take threats against it very seriously. Especially since most Jews in Israel are from the Middle East and if Israel didn’t exist they would literally have no other country in the region they could live in.
- bluish29 2y ago
  > When your entire ethnic group has only a single tiny country in the entire world that it can call home Are you implying that most of the Jews don't call where they live home? I think this is actually a kind of narrative that actual anti-semite spread about jews in their home countries. Most of Jews live outside Israel if you don't know that [1] And no, most jews in Israel are not from Middle East. They are prominently Europeans [2]. And the arab jews lived in their countries for centuries before the zionist project kicked out and poisoned the whole region against them. They had troubles we have to admit but there is a reason why most of them actually migrate to US, Canada and Europe and not Israel. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
  - ido 2y ago
    Where in the link [2] does it say that most Israeli Jews are of European decent? Just over half are not Ashkenazi (mostly Jews from the Middle East, Western and central Asia and Ethiopia). Additionally about 20% of Israeli citizens are Palestinian. Less than 40% of the total population are Ashkenazi.
    - bluish29 2y ago
      The comment I was replying to talked about Jewish in israel. They claimed that most of Jews in israel are from Middle East which is wrong and the link shows that. See the table about parental ancestors.
      - ido 2y ago
        I am talking about Jews in Israel. They are a bit more than half Mizrahi/Sephardi/Beta-Israel (not European) and a bit less than half Ashkenazi (European). The vast majority of Sephardi and Mezrahi in Israel are from what are now muslim countries in the Middle East. Together with 20% of the population that are Muslim or Christian Palestinians people of middle-eastern descent comprise well over 50% of the population (~60%).

zeroonetwothree 2y ago

I wouldn’t say it’s “Israel” doing this, it’s a belief shared by many (of course not all!) Jews. When your entire ethnic group has only a single tiny country in the entire world that it can call home you tend to take threats against it very seriously. Especially since most Jews in Israel are from the Middle East and if Israel didn’t exist they would literally have no other country in the region they could live in.

bluish29 2y ago
> When your entire ethnic group has only a single tiny country in the entire world that it can call home Are you implying that most of the Jews don't call where they live home? I think this is actually a kind of narrative that actual anti-semite spread about jews in their home countries. Most of Jews live outside Israel if you don't know that [1] And no, most jews in Israel are not from Middle East. They are prominently Europeans [2]. And the arab jews lived in their countries for centuries before the zionist project kicked out and poisoned the whole region against them. They had troubles we have to admit but there is a reason why most of them actually migrate to US, Canada and Europe and not Israel. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
- ido 2y ago
  Where in the link [2] does it say that most Israeli Jews are of European decent? Just over half are not Ashkenazi (mostly Jews from the Middle East, Western and central Asia and Ethiopia). Additionally about 20% of Israeli citizens are Palestinian. Less than 40% of the total population are Ashkenazi.
  - bluish29 2y ago
    The comment I was replying to talked about Jewish in israel. They claimed that most of Jews in israel are from Middle East which is wrong and the link shows that. See the table about parental ancestors.
    - ido 2y ago
      I am talking about Jews in Israel. They are a bit more than half Mizrahi/Sephardi/Beta-Israel (not European) and a bit less than half Ashkenazi (European). The vast majority of Sephardi and Mezrahi in Israel are from what are now muslim countries in the Middle East. Together with 20% of the population that are Muslim or Christian Palestinians people of middle-eastern descent comprise well over 50% of the population (~60%).