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>the Israeli PR and propaganda machine is very effective. Vastly less effective than the competing one, IMO. There are people that still, to this day, think t

>the Israeli PR and propaganda machine is very effective. Vastly less effective than the competing one, IMO. There are people that still, to this day, think that Al-Ahli hospital was bombed by Israel and that hundreds of people were killed. It seems to be a widespread belief that Israel is primarily European-descended wheras in fact more than half of Israeli jews are Mizrahi - they were refugees from places like Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Morocco. There are people that shout about globalizing the intifada without having any idea what those words mean.

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adhamsalama 3y ago
Is there any evidence of the opposite, that it was bombed by Hamas, or do you simply choose the narrative that suits you?
- dralley 3y ago
  Yes, actually. Lots of it, which has been in the open for more than 6 months. Thank you for demonstrating my point so clearly. https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/26/gaza-findings-october-17-al-ahli-hospital-explosion https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/26/gaza-findings-october-17... https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/briefing/gaza-hospital-explosion.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/briefing/gaza-hospital-ex... https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-hospital-rocket-gaza-8bc239d2efe0cff3998b2154d9220a83 https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-hos... https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/10/24/al-ahli-hospital-us-intelligence/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/10/24/... I'd also like to point out that the online narrative in the first 24 hours was that the hospital was "destroyed" with "500 dead" but the pictures we eventually got showed a 6 inch deep dent in the parking lot about 2 feet across and a half dozen burnt cars, plus some blown out windows and shingles. Even setting aside attribution entirely, nearly every other aspect of what was initially reported was demonstratively false or implausible within a matter of hours. Behold, the "destroyed" hospital where "471" people died, the day after the explosion https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/b86e8d6d4133d481c4877d845a149af7031e3660/0_105_6000_3600/master/6000.jpg?width=1900&dpr=1&s=none https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/b86e8d6d4133d481c4877d845a149... Notably, the retractions and actual evidence never went as viral as the unsubstantiated claims.

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adhamsalama 3y ago

Is there any evidence of the opposite, that it was bombed by Hamas, or do you simply choose the narrative that suits you?

dralley 3y ago
Yes, actually. Lots of it, which has been in the open for more than 6 months. Thank you for demonstrating my point so clearly. https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/26/gaza-findings-october-17-al-ahli-hospital-explosion https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/26/gaza-findings-october-17... https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/briefing/gaza-hospital-explosion.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/briefing/gaza-hospital-ex... https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-hospital-rocket-gaza-8bc239d2efe0cff3998b2154d9220a83 https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-hos... https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/10/24/al-ahli-hospital-us-intelligence/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/10/24/... I'd also like to point out that the online narrative in the first 24 hours was that the hospital was "destroyed" with "500 dead" but the pictures we eventually got showed a 6 inch deep dent in the parking lot about 2 feet across and a half dozen burnt cars, plus some blown out windows and shingles. Even setting aside attribution entirely, nearly every other aspect of what was initially reported was demonstratively false or implausible within a matter of hours. Behold, the "destroyed" hospital where "471" people died, the day after the explosion https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/b86e8d6d4133d481c4877d845a149af7031e3660/0_105_6000_3600/master/6000.jpg?width=1900&dpr=1&s=none https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/b86e8d6d4133d481c4877d845a149... Notably, the retractions and actual evidence never went as viral as the unsubstantiated claims.